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Meeting Minutes
Planning Commission
Wednesday,January 27,2016 5:30 PM Council Chambers
I. Call to Order, Roll Call
Chairman Ramirez called the meeting to order at 5:33 pm and verified that a
quorum was present to conduct meeting.
(Note: Mr.McGinn arrived at 5:30pm)
Present 8- Philip Ramirez, Eric Villarreal,Jeremy Baugh, Fred Braselton, Carl Crull,
Mike Lippencott, Marsha Williams, and Heidi Hovda
Absent 1 - Jonas Chupe
II. Approval of Minutes
Motion to approve item"1",January 13,2016 minutes,was made by Vice
Chairman Villarreal and seconded by Commissioner Baugh.Motion passed.
1. Regular Meeting of January 13, 2016
Attachments: 01.13.16 PC i ns
III. Public Hearing Agenda Items -Discussion and Possible Action
A. Plats
New Plats
Julio Dimas, Development Services,read New Plat Items "2 and 4"into record
as shown below. Mr. Dimas stated these plats satisfied all requirements of the
Unified Development Code(UDC)and State Law and the Technical Review
Committee recommends approval.
2. 1015149-NP105 (15-21000045)
SOLITHSIDE ADDITION, BLOCK 1, LOT 10A (FINAL REPLAT- 0.496
ACRE)
Located east of Ayers Street and north of McArdle Road.
Attachments: TRCPlatReguirements.Southside Addition, Blk 1, Lt 10A(Final
Replat).012716PCtq
Southside Addition, Blk 1, Lot 10A- Replat
4. 1215162-NP125 (15-21000050)
MAHAN ACRES, BLOCK 2, LOT 18R (FINAL REPLAT - 0.562 ACRE)
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Located north of McArdle Road and east ofKoatoryz Road.
Attachments: TRQPIatReguirements.Mahan Acres, Blk 2, Lt 18R(Final
Mahan Acres, Block 2, Lot 18A
After Staff's presentation,the floor was opened for comments and discussion
by commissioners. There being none,the public hearing was opened with no
one coming forward and the public hearing was closed. Amotion was made
by Commissioner Crull,seconded by Vice Chairman Villarreal,that items"2
and 4'' beapproved. The motion carried byounanimous vote.
Julio Dimas, Development Services,read New Plat Item ''3''into record oo
shown above. Mr. Dimas stated there was oslight modification onthe plat;
there is a set of propoperties/lots that are fronted by two streets within the
front and the rear.There is a minor change from what is in the packet; there are
now two front yards'one on either side of the street,that indicate the twenty
foot yard requirements;this is the only difference in the plat that is listed in the
packet. Both the owner and the applicant are satisfied with the change.Mr.
Dimas stated the plat satisfied all requirements of the Unified Development
Code(UDC)and State Law and the Technical Review Committee recommends
approval.
3. 1315160-PO40 (15-33000046)
BARCLAY GROVE UNIT 12 (FINAL - 12.00 ACRES)
Located south ofTinlbergah* Drive and east of South Staples Street
(FM 3444).
Attachments: TRCPlatReguirements.Barclay__Grove__Unit__12__�Final_�.012716PCMLq
BarclayGrove Unit 12 Final R2 01-06-15
After Staff's presentation,the floor was opened for comments and discussion
by commissioners. Commissioner Cru||stated these are double fronted lots.
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be prohibited.Mr. Dimas stated the typical scenario,the way the UDC identifies
these are through lots;there would typically be a restriction; they do have a
restriction on them stating they have no driveway access on one of the streets.
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with two streets;this is a fairly new definition in the UDC; it is called a through
lot,because of that, it is very specific that the yard requirement would be on
both street frontages.Mr. McGinn added hecould not find onexample where
this has occurred.Commissioner Cru|| stated there are older oubd|x|o|ono�
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particulary lots that back up to an arterial street that are considered double
frontage;the lots back up to the arterial street but they face a residential street;
there is always a prohibition against any driveways off of the arterial street.
After all comments were made,the public hearing was opened with noone
coming forward and the public hearing was closed. Amotion was made by
Vice Chairman Villarreal,seconded byCommissioner Orooe|xon.that item ''3"
beapproved.The motion carried byounanimous vote.
|Yf. Flood Hazard Prevention Presentation
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Attachments: PC Presentation Flood Hazard Prevention-Higher Standards
Mr. Dimas stated this will be the final presentation before we start taking some
items in front of you for action;focus more on higher standards that we are
proposing. Mr. Dimas continuing the main purpose of these new codes and
standards is to: save lives,reduce flood damage,offer lower insurance rates
and encourage a comprehensive approach to floodplain management. Mr.
Dimas added the first thing he will speak about is the Freeboard.
The City of Corpus Christi is a proposing one foot freeboard; this means,for
new construction in a Zone A the top of the bottom floor must now be one foot
above base flood elevation (BFE). If the BFE for your lot is 10'you will now
need to be at 11'.In Zone A you can meet this requirement by filling the site.In
Zone V the bottom of the lowest horizontal member would need to be one foot
above BFE. This can only be done by elevating the structure on piers or pilings
columns. No fill is allowed. Example of savings are as follows: National Flood
Insurance Program(NFIP) Premiums based on October 2013 rates for multi
floor residential structure with no basement.$1,000 deductible/$250,000
coverage for the building,no contents coverage.
Zone V: This Flood Insurance Rate Map designation refers to coastal areas that
are subject to the highest levels of wave energy and flooding.Zone A:Also a
FIRM designation,these areas are subject to flooding but with less wave
energy than Zone V. 81%of the communities surveyed have adopted
freeboard.Very few of these communities don't have some sort of freeboard;
most of these communities are not part of the Community Rating System
(CRS) program; even though they are not getting credit for flood insurance,
they still have a freeboard on their requirements.
Chairman Ramirez stated with regards to the communities that are listed,297
communities,let's say you have a community in a high elevation, like West
Texas,the BFE whatever that may be, does it matter if you adopt a 4 foot
freeboard,if 90%of the city does not sit in a BFE and only a portion sits in an
area that may flood?Chairman Ramirez continued this community may have
more because it's a coastal community;we have some areas that are prone to
flooding; may see more of a significant impact with regards to how much of a
built environment these freeboards effect verses another city.Chairman
Ramirez stated that number sounds like a lot but he wants to make sure that
number is not showing a skewed perception.
Mr. Dimas stated no, most of these communities have large amounts of their
communities within a flood zone.Commissioner Braselton stated the annual
savings being presented for the one foot is$537.00 that would be if you went
out and purchased the$250,000 coverage,you would normally pay$1000 if you
didn't have the freeboard; right now insurance is$400-$500;where does the
$1000 come from?Mr. Dimas stated the presentation is displaying the national
average.
Chairman Ramirez stated to follow up on Commissioner Braselton's question,
in this presentation is it possible to find the average savings for a typical
$250,000 policy locally?he would like to have a more accurate reflection of
what the cost would be per household. Mr. Dimas stated insurance amounts
that are being presented are in a flood zone;a lot of the values that we hear
today locally are skewed a little because they are not in a flood zone; total
amount of savings for the City as a whole is over a million dollars a year.
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Chairman Ramirez stated we need to make a more accurate reflection of the
savings that are being presented; it's showing a better inflated number than
what it is in reality.Commissioner Braselton stated to add another chart in the
presentation.Mr. Dimas continued that he reached out to NFIP,the national
program and now we are going to reach out to local insurance agents and give
you four different scenarios.Commissioner Williams stated if you are in zone
A,you are not in a flood zone, right?Mr. Dimas stated yes,you are in a flood
zone.Commissioner Williams continued,which zone is the Island on?Mr.
Dimas stated both A and B.Commissioner Williams replied most of the Island
is 9 feet above level. Mr. Dimas stated each property has its own specific
amount accessed because of the specific scenarios;very similar to a car
insurance policy;a lot of variables to each policy;very unique to each
property.
Commissioner Braselton stated savings we are talking about is for people that
are purchasing flood insurance;there is no other benefit?Mr. Dimas stated
yes.Commissioner Braselton continued is there other things besides saving
money?Mr. Dimas continued yes,there are a couple of things;there are
multiple ways this impacts the city as a whole; it begins with the that specific
property owner for that home;whether they are one foot above the minimum
requirement,then the insurance is going to be cheaper;then the community as
a whole,because we are in a community rating system,we would get a higher
ranking;then there is additional savings on top of that;then there is different
organizations and groups that grade the city; building codes; etc.; different
groups use that to classify your house insurance.
Commissioner Braselton stated it would be wise for that information to be
publically known,otherwise everyone would say I don't buy flood insurance
and I don't care if we have freeboard or not when in fact there are some
benefits in addition to that.Mr. Dimas stated,yes,there could be a lot more
negative effects. For example,building codes; International Organization for
Standardization (ISO)will not give a good rating if the building code is old. Mr.
Dimas continued with the presentation.The Limit of Moderate Wave Action
(LiMWA)is a new feature on the maps it is adjacent to the velocity zone and
velocity zone standards will be followed in this area,which is in addition to the
velocity zone. For insurance purposes it is still rated as an A Zone; if you adopt
this standard;you will get extra savings for individual home owner and also
the City; currently our community rating is 300 points short of our next
milestone to give us the additional 5%,this item alone will give us the extra 500
points;just adopting this one item by itself would move the City over into a
higher rating.
Mr. Dimas presented a video explaining V Zones.Only properties adjacent to
shore; treated just as a velocity zone; fill would be prohibited.Chairman
Ramirez stated this is the instance where fill is also not acceptable.Mr. Dimas
stated, correct; because of the wave action.Mr. Dimas continued with the last
couple of items,the V-Zone: design and construction certificate;this is an item
that will become a requirement as a part of our community rating system;even
though currently under the current situation it would be considered higher
standard;eventually if we wish to continue to get credit for elevation
certificates we would have to include this with it;anytime there is construction
in the V-Zone this certification would be required from the design professional
stating that either breakaway walls and/or the foundation were designed to
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accommodate this particular V-Zone scenario.
Chairman Ramirez stated with regards to breakaway walls being structurally
certified; he doesn't know if there are a lot of properties in this area that
actually have breakaway walls specifically engineered and designed; at best
there are spotty resources to create one of these walls;to be clear the venting
of these walls are no longer allowed in the VE-Zone, correct?Mr. Dimas stated,
correct.
Mr. Dimas continued.The next item is Non-Conversion Agreement,again
related to the Velocity Zone;whenever you have an area that is open below
this agreement documents that the owner and contractor are now aware that,
that space is not to be used for anything else in the future.Chairman Ramirez
stated and the remedy that the City has is legally to change that if you find
someone that is not in conformance to remove their certificate of occupancy or
what is the ramification?
Mr. Dimas stated,we would start with a simple notification and build up to a
violation for the building code and as far as removing the certificate of
occupancy. Commissioner Crull asked if this agreement will be filed at the
courthouse with deed?Mr. Dimas responded yes,it will be a recorded
document so when someone pulls up title paperwork it will show up.
Commissioner Braselton asked if it could be part of the deed or included in the
deed or does it have to be a separate; like a 4709 from the Federal
Government?Mr. Dimas continued it can be with the original deed if it is the
first construction.
Mr. Dimas stated the last item is Cumulative Substantial Improvement or
Damage,currently with FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY
(FEMA) it states that they have generally speaking a 50%role which is typical
across standards and codes; if you exceed the 50%of the property value then
you have to bring it up to compliance;what we are proposing is the substantial
repairs and improvements will be counted for the preceding 10 years. This is
for non-compliant properties; building should be brought up to compliance;
look at the current value that is on the books and not the old value.
Commissioner Lippencott asked if the adoption of this will affect existing
properties. Mr. Dimas stated it only affects non-compliant properties.
Commissioner Lippencott continued,as far as savings you are realizing a 50%
savings for a one foot freeboard,how does that affect building a house and
raising it up a foot?How does that affect your neighbor that is obviously in
compliance but they are at BFE?
Chairman Ramirez added,what if you are at 18 feet and your neighbor is at 17
feet elevation and your base flood is 17 feet and you are a foot above?You are
going to get the discount but what about the existing house next door?I
believe is Commissioner Lippencott's question; how is this going to affect
your insurance?Mr. Dimas stated they wouldn't receive that specific discount
but they would receive some discount because of the CRS Program; if you are
non-compliant and you have flood insurance you are receiving 50%discount
today no matter what.Commissioner Lippencott stated how about the
properties that are in this new coastal zone; previously they were in just an AE
and not a Coast AE Zone; so they are in a more volatile or a dangerous zone so
is their insurance more than likely going to go up? Mr. Dimas stated yes.
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Chairman Ramirez stated that is what we have been talking about there is
some new construction on North Beach that was built on fill, I am not saying it
is in the UMWA zone, potentially I have not looked at it;they could expect
based on the new maps their insurance is going to go up and there is nothing
the City can do about it because that is going to be a function of what FEMA
does;whether or not we adopt these new standards or not;the way I hear it is
the only thing we can do is improve that situation by moving forward with this
so we can get a discount across the board to alleviate that to some degree
through the CRS Program;they won't qualify for the ultimate discount but
maybe we can help clip their overall insurance rate; is that correct,Mr. Dimas?
Mr. Dimas stated,correct; properties that will have huge savings on their
insurance and some properties insurance rates will increase; on the Island this
is happening a lot; looking at the overall process to help the city as much as
we can.
Chairman Ramirez continued asking Commissioner Villarreal and
Commissioner Crull in the Cobra areas you couldn't get flood insurance in
those areas; is that more of a function of conservation in those areas or is it
really kind of more of a function of them condemning those areas because of
the BFE in those particular areas?Commissioner Crull stated his
understanding of the Cobra Zones on the barrier islands is to discourage
construction and development in those areas that preserve the natural barrier
of those Islands and to further that discouragement one could not get a
federally backed mortgage regardless of that BFE.
Mr. Dimas stated,just for clarity there are the same standards in Cobra as
compared to outside Cobra;there are BFE's set in Cobra;so if somebody
chooses to build in Cobra,we would not recommend it but they still can.Mr.
Dimas continued,that sometime in late March we will come back with some of
the proposed changes and ordinances to adopt some of these cumulative
standards and to adopt the preliminary maps;this is a rough overall future
timeline.
Commissioner Braselton asked what is going to happen in areas where they
are not presently in a flood zone and they are going into a flood zone?One
particular area off of Saratoga and Greenwood,there is no way those houses
can be brought up to standard,are they going to be condemned?Mr. Dimas
stated no,we have no plans to do that right now.Commissioner Braselton
continued if they have to have flood insurance and they have a loan and it
goes up to$300-$500 a month,they are going to lose their house; that it is hard
to vote on something like that.Mr. Dimas continued unfortunately that may be
a reality in some cases; FEMA has not opened this up formally,there is an
appeal process to these maps that can happen; any group or individual can
appeal.
Commissioner Braselton added do they appeal in the judicial courts or in an
administrative law?Mr. Dimas replied it is administrative through FEMA.Vice
Chairman Villarreal stated just to be clear on Mr. Dimas comment that is going
happen to happen regardless whether these codes go in to affect, right?That
is happening with the new FEMA maps,if they are not in a flood plain right now
they are going to be in a flood plain and they can't get insurance that is not
having to do with these particular requirements.Mr. Dimas stated,that is
correct.
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Chairman Ramirez asked Mr. Dimas to explain once again; he ran through last
time the adoption of the preliminary maps and the adoption of the finalized
maps that are going to come and our role in the processis that we can either
choose as a City to adopt it; if we don't,explain to us the process;again the
insurance companies are going to look to FEMA not the City;we may have the
ability to affect the insurance rate by how proactive we are on this but if we
don't and we don't decide to support this;explain the ultimate scenario of what
happens if FEMA does decide to finalize these maps?
Mr. Dimas stated we are trying to adopt the preliminary maps as enforceable
maps,we are going to look at new construction to meet those requirements;
that does not impact insurance at all today; then they would go through the
process of any kind of appeals any kind of things that may happen during that
process if those get worked out then FEMA will say there are no appeals or we
worked out what appeals were valid then the next step is we would proceed as
adopting them as final maps.
Chairman Ramirez stated the City only has control of the new construction
because you are not going to go back; FEMA is going to do what they want to
do whether or not we choose to adopt them or not;all we can do potentially is
possibly help that scenario.Mr. Dimas stated yes;either FEMA will state to
adopt program or get removed from the national program.Chairman Ramirez
thanking Commissioner Braselton and Commissioner Lippencott for their
questions and making this clear in his mind; it is important to understand what
their role is and what they can and cannot do; FEMA is an organization that
they don't have the ability other than the appeals process and how we get
involved in that or if at all what they are going to do; our desire will be to help
the homeowners as much as we can because we know it's coming; the City's
position is to start preparing for this to happen in regards to new construction
primarily is the focus.
Chairman Ramirez continued suggesting for Mr. Dimas to figure out a way to
put the information out there right in front stating that this is what will happen;
there is a lot of opportunity here for there to be misinterpretation for what is
going on here and the reality is put in simple terms is this is the process that
FEMA will follow and this is our intention and this is what we are trying to do
here but it is not;we had to find our way through that through this
presentation and we have arrived there but we shouldn't have to;to the
average homeowner this presentation is not going to make sense.
Commissioner Crull stated there are two things that are going on that are
parallel; one is the changes to the UDC and building codes that are going to
provide freeboard and the result of that is going to be savings to owner in the
insurance policies.The second part is what FEMA is doing and the adoption of
the preliminary maps is to get a step ahead,the construction that occurs
between now and whenever the final maps are adopted; how many of the
developers are adhering to the draft maps in their development of their
subdivisions?Mr. Dimas stated since they have received the maps in October
2015; most of them have come into the office asking what their new flood zone
is. Commissioner Crull continued,a lot of the developers are voluntarily
building their subdivisions to above the new BFE so that when they sell those
lots it's a selling point that says the new lot your house is in, conforms with
the new flood plain requirements,you are out of the flood plain.
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Commissioner Williams stated when the developer is developing can they
build the entire subdivision up?Is that allowed?Mr. Dimas stated,depending
on the flood zone,yes.Commissioner Williams continued,she is getting a lot
of questions about this and the people believe this can be stopped if the City
doesn't do something; bad news is its coming and worse news if we don't do
anything it could be worse; only way to soften is to come on board with these
new standards. Chairman Ramirez stated the way this presentation reads is
this is a City action that the City is taking somehow but the real process is
happening at the Federal level and there is no stopping that;there may some
amendments or appeals but the reality is that in a few years when they finally
adopt these final maps the standards will be in place.
Commissioner Crull stated,to add to the presentation that if we are in the
current system and already receiving a 15%discount if the City doesn't adopt
the maps FEMA is going to adopt anyway and the 20%discount could go away
but if we do adopt the 20%could help soften the blow;those are the kind of
things that need to be pointed out to the public. Commissioner Braselton
stated he agrees from here forward you can do that except you have land that
is already developed and half the houses that are in there are already built and
now the next set of houses or buildings that come along are going to be built
up and it's going to look funny and no one is going to want to buy that house
and in some of these subdivisions like the one on Saratoga that is half built
out; it is almost a taking,you have just ruined this subdivision;you are not
going to be able to comply in that subdivision;somebody is on the hook for all
of that and for the people who live there,who are they going to sell their
houses to?Maybe there is an appeals process; concerned about existing
subdivisions.Mr. Dimas stated,several communities and states have adopted
these already.After Staff's presentation concluded,all comments and
discussion was concluded by Commissioners. No action was taken.
V. Director's Report
Mr.McGinn informed the Commission on the update on plan CC.Ms.Yankee
will be sending out comments received from the City Council with staff
summaries to be presented at the February 24,2016 Meeting.
Commissioner Crull stated he just received an alert from Caller Times about
the proposed Plan CC 2036 which he has not read the article yet.
Commissioner Crull asked if it was a separate document?Chairman Ramirez
stated the Commission will be reviewing comments from Council; this will be
brought to us and how we review this and how we proceed with the comments
from Council.Chairman Ramirez continued Plan CC 2036 is a proposal
integrated with the comments that are provided by Council Member Magill.
Chairman Ramirez informed Commissioners that Commissioner Chupe
tendered his resignation to the Commission.We appreciated his contributions
to the Commission and City Secretary's office will be looking for his
replacement.
VI. Items to be Scheduled
None
VII. Adjournment
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There being no further business,the meeting adjourned at 6:34 p.m.
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