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MEMBERS PRESENT: Ms. Deborah Douglas, Chairman
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Ms. Susan Abarca
Mr. Alan Belcher
Ms. Sharon Brower
Mr. Michael Cleary
Mr. Myron Grossman
Ms. Grandis Lenken
Dr. Richard Moore
Mr. Terry Orf
Mr. Elmon Phillips
Ms. Bunny Tinker
MEMBERS ABSENT: Dr. Thomas Kreneck (Excused)
Mr. Kevin Maraist (Excused)
Mr. Tom Stewart (Excused)
Mr. Alan Wahiers (Excused)
STAFF PRESENT: Ms. Faryce Goode-Macon, City Planner
Ms. Linda Williams, Recording Secretary
Mr. Alan Belcher, Vice Chairman, called the meeting to order at 4:30 p.m. The roll was called
and a quorum was not present.
Upon arrival of Ms. Abarca at 4:43 p.m., a quorum was declared.
ACTION ITEM:
Approval of Minutes for June 27, 2002 Meeting: The minutes for the June 27, 2002 meeting
were approved as distributed.
DISCUSSION ITEMS:
With approval of commission members, order of the discussion agenda items wee re-
arranged.
Sesquicentennial Video Contract with Quadrant Productions: Ms. Macon stated that at the
last meeting, the possibility was discussed of securing additional funding for the video
production. Ms. Macon continued that since that meeting, it was decided no additional
fundraisers would be pursued and another direction would be taken. Staff held a meeting
and it was decided that the video production would be done with the S15,000 that is
currently in the city's coffer. Ms. Macon went on to say that since the city has a service
contract with Quadrant Productions, their services will be used to produce the video. Ms.
Macon continued that staff has been meeting with their video production team to review
various ideas and options on how best to use the money appropriated in accomplishing the
task of producing the video, as indicated by the Landmark Commission. Ms. Macon
reminded commissioners that it was also discussed that the video would highlight the
history of Corpus Christi and it would be directed more so to third and fourth graders in an
effort to help the Corpus Christi Independent School District with the TEKS performance
standard testing. Ms. Macon continued that in doing this, staff had to review the manuals
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to make sure that the needed components would be appropriate. Ms. Macon referenced a
handout that was Included In the packets. Ms. Macon stated the handout was a simple
outline compiled by Museum staff and other staff members. The outline would be used for
a display the Museum would be doing for the Sesquicentennial Celebration. This outline
would also be given to Quadrant Productions so they would have an idea of what direction
the script should take. Ms. Macon continued that the video production team from
Quadrant Productions was Invited to today's meeting to give them an opportunity to show
examples from various clips of their work so that commissioners might feel comfortable In
working with them. Ms. Macon stated that the same video subcommittee was In place and
would be working with the production team. The committee will review the script as it is
written. The production team also would like feedback from the commission as to what
additional information you would like to see included in the video.
Ms. Tinker asked what was the time line for the video production and Ms. Macon answered
that the original time line of September 9th would not be met. Ms. Macon continued that
this has been addressed with management and the plan was to have the video completed
soon after the September 91" date. Ms.Tinker stated that after the commission reviews the
outline,would the commission submit their comments before August. Ms. Macon answered
that the outline presented was for Quadrant Productions, but they will inform the
commission on how the scriptwriter will Incorporate the outline. Ms. Macon continued that
they want to get started as soon as possible In getting clips compiled and a draft done. Ms.
Macon clarified that no action had to be taken on this agenda item.
At this point, the floor was turned over to the production team leader. Mr. Frank van
Heugton, owner of Quadrant Productions Introduced members of the team. Mr. Van
Heugton introduced Paul Pope and Chris Hale. Mr. van Heugton stated he was the director
of the video, Mr. Pope was the scriptwriter, and Mr. Hale was the assistant director and
editor. Mr. Van Heugton continued he wanted to clarify several items concerning the
outline provided by the Museum. Mr. Van Heugton stated that rough Drafts would be
submitted for the commission and staff to review before any filming would actually begin
and the team would not move ahead until they received an approved script. Mr. Van
Heugton asked Mr. Pope to address several ideas that the team received after several
meetings with Museum staff at this point and of the direction they would like to go with
the video,and also receive feedback from the commission.
Mr. Pope stated the outline the commissioners received was really no more than some
essential kinds of things to be covered. The outline will be taken and fleshed out to get
more specific ideas from It. The video production for the Museum display and eventually
for CCISD distribution, will be approximately eight to twelve minutes long, most likely
twelve minutes. Mr. Pope continued that drafts would be submitted to receive comments
and input before the shooting phase of the video begins. Mr. Pope stated they wanted the
final production to be of such caliber that it would not only appeal to third and fourth
graders, but to all ages. The video will be kept simple enough for students in keeping with
the TEKS standards, but also edifying and entertaining. Mr. Pope continued that since the
team has a definite time line, all of the city's history would not be included In the video-
lust the highlights. Mr. Pope stated with regard to the students in the school district, the
teachers would follow up with detailed information and the Museum exhibit would provide
details that the video would not cover. Mr. Pope continued that it was hoped that the
video would provide a real blended flavor of the growth of Corpus Christi and how It all
happened. Mr. Pope opened the floor for any questions or comments.
Mr. Grossman asked if the video would contain just shots of pictures or would there be any
acting involved and Mr. Pope answered there might be some short reenactment in the
video to liven it up some. Mr. Pope continued that new video will be used to the extent
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possible and old pictures will be used with moving cameras to make them active. Various
techniques will be used to keep the production lively. There will be a variety of different
voices used and excerpts taken from old letters will also be used. Different things will be
used to keep the project Interesting. Mr. Pope continued they are looking for historical
motion pictures that could be possibly used for the video- he continued there were some
McGregor footage available and he was told that local resident,Joe Kelly also so had motion
picture footage. Mr. Pope went on to say that if anyone knew of a resource that could be
used,they would like to be contacted. Ms.Tinker asked how old did the film have to be or
the person with the footage and Mr. Pope answered that the footage should be at least
forty to fifty years old since for it to be considered of some historical nature. It was
possible for an eighty year old person to have home movies that old or older, especially if
they were shot during the 40s and 50s.
Mr. Grossman stated he hoped the production team would be able to have some vignettes
included In the video. Mr. Grossman continued he felt the vignettes would be the most
effective way of keeping the audience's attention and recreating a specific period of time.
Mr. Van Heugton stated they would try to work some vignettes In, but because of budget
constraints, they were not sure how many. Mr. Grossman asked If they had any local
voluntary actors that could be used and Mr. Van Heugton answered that the Museum had
some concern about the quality of the actors and being able to pull it off. Mr.Van Heugton
continued they wanted to make sure that everything was done properly since there were
time and budget constraints. Mr. Van Heugton continued they have had great success in
using student actors from Del Mar College and Texas A & M - Corpus Christi. Mr. Belcher
commented that he had seen re-enactment groups from Gollad in various productions and
they did an outstanding Job. After all comments were concluded, the commissioners
viewed several short clips of video productions the team had produced. Some of the
examples highlighted were:
• Environmental preservation of the State of Louisiana;
• 21re Century-Port of Corpus Christi;
• Laguna Madre;and
• Corpus Christi Padre Island.
After the commission viewed the video clips, commissioners stated they were very pleased
with the examples that were shown. Mr. Van Heugton stated he was very proud of the
individuals that make up Quadrant Productions and he felt the commission would enjoy
working with the group. Ms.Tinker asked when would the team begin work on the video
and Mr. Van Heugton answered that they were shooting for December 2002 and the
Commission most likely would not review any scripts until around September. Ms. Macon
asked commissioners If there was anything that they wanted to pass on to the team or ask
about after viewing the video clips and several commissioners had comments. Mr. Van
Heugton deferred to Mr. Pope to answer questions regarding the video. Mr. Pope
recommended that commissioners take the time to review the outline that was provided
and submit any comments or suggestions to Ms. Macon. He continued that within the next
couple of weeks, the team would begin research and it was doubtful if anything would be
ready for script writing at that time. Mr. Pope stated If commissioners had comments for
him, they could submit them to Ms. Macon and she would get them to him before the
August meeting, if need be.
Ms. Tinker asked what is the coordination point for the school district regarding the test
standards and Mr. Pope responded that Mr. Stryker would confirm with the school district.
Ms. Douglas asked if the production team would be receiving feedback from school district
teachers to ensure that the materials were appropriate and on the right track. Mr. Pope
stated the team would be working with two ladles from the school district- Dixie Benford
and Mary Crystal. Dr. Moore stated that since he was late In arriving at the meeting, he
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would like to obtain a copy of the video that Quadrant provided for the Commission's
review. Ms. Macon stated that what was presented today was just clips from various
productions the team complied for today's review and a copy of the clippings would be
available for his review. Ms. Tinker asked for clarification regarding the available funding
for the video was the THC grant of $15,000 and Ms. Macon answered yes the only funding
available was the THC grant. Mr. Grossman asked why was it decided that no one would
attempt to raise the money and Ms. Macon responded that anyone could raise the money.
Ms. Macon continued that the Sesquicentennial Committee was still functioning with the
four people that attend the meeting. Ms. Macon stated that If those four committee
members wanted to hold a fundraiser, they could do so. Mr. Grossman asked why the
committee was such an exclusive group and Ms. Macon replied that the Sesquicentennial
Committee was not an exclusive group - approximately twenty people were appointed to
serve on the committee, but only four or five members attended on a consistent basis. Ms.
Tinker suggested that the video be at least fifteen minutes In length instead of twelve.
After all comments and discussion concluded, no action was taken. Thanks were expressed
to Mr. Van Heugton and the Quadrant Production team for attending today's meeting and
making available the video clips for the commission to review. At this point in the
meeting,the meeting was turned over to Ms. Douglas to chair.
HC - Historical Cultural Application Review of former Temple Beth El Synagogue at 1315
Craig Street: Ms. Macon stated that at last month's meeting, she informed commissioners
that a zoning application for a"HC"zoning overlay would be forthcoming for commissioners
to review and that application packet would be included In the mall out. Ms. Macon
continued the building was the original location for the Temple Beth El congregation;which
moved to Its new location on Saratoga Boulevard. Ms. Macon stated that Reverend Danny
Spears, Pastor of the Metropolitan Community Church, currently located in the building,
submitted a zoning application requesting a "HC"zoning overlay for the old Temple Beth El
Synagogue. Ms. Macon stated she discussed the various options available for consideration
and she recommended the congregation pursue the "HC-F" designation. Ms. Macon
referenced the handout"Article 28A-"HC" Historical-Cultural Landmark Preservation,which
Is contained in the zoning ordinance. Ms. Macon explained, for benefit of new
commissioners, that on page 2 of the hand out, last paragraph explained the definition of
the"HC-F"classification. The classification does not pertain to the Interior of the building or
any of the facade that does not face a major right-of-way. Ms. Macon continued she
recommended that Reverend Spears apply for the "HC-F" classification as she felt it was less
restrictive and would be more supportive by the congregation. Ms. Macon further
explained that with the "HC-F" classification, the commission would most likely have facade
review of two sides of the structure that face Craig Street Ms. Macon continued that
Reverend Spears was at today's meeting to answer any questions the commissioners might
have regarding the church. At this point In the meeting, the floor was turned over to
Reverend Spears.
Reverend Spears stated he was at today's meeting to answer any questions the commission
might have regarding why the church is seeking the "HC" designation or any questions In
general about the church, neighborhood, etc. Mr. Grossman stated that he attended
Sunday school at the old Temple Beth El Church and he was familiar with the building. Mr.
Grossman asked for clarification regarding the designation Reverend Spears was applying
for. Ms. Macon explained that there are six different classifications that can be applied for.
Ms. Macon continued that most people do not want to apply for the full "HC" classification.
Ms. Macon clarified that there was not a "HC" classification that controlled the Interior of a
building. Ms. Macon went on to say that In the past, there was only one "HC" classification,
but over the past ten years, "HC classifications have expanded to six. Ms. Macon stated she
and Reverend Spears met to discuss the different"HC" classifications. Ms. Macon continued
that after their meeting, It was decided that the "HC-F" classification would be more
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acceptable by himself, the congregation and Board of Directors. Ms. Macon continued that
another factor that was taken into consideration was the review process with the Landmark
Commission for any possible revisions made to the church. Ms. Macon stated the "HC-F"
designation would give the Landmark Commission review of the facade only and It does not
include the Interior of the church. Mr. Orf asked for clarification on which sides the
Landmark Commission would have review of and Ms. Macon stated all of the sides that will
face the street.
Mr. Phillips stated that the Nueces County Historical Commission had been working with
several members of the Metropolitan Church trying to get a historical marker for the
church and the research for the marker was almost finalized. Mr. Phillips continued that
Anita Eisenhauer had several questions and Reverend spears stated he had met with her
and they were waiting to hear back from her. Mr. Phillips continued the commission was
ready to proceed with purchasing the marker.
Ms.Tinker asked Mr. Phillips if the marker was as to the congregation and he responded the
marker would be for the building. Mr. Phillips continued that the Jewish Community built
the building and It still remains intact and so has all of the exterior markings which
commemorates this as being the first Jewish congregation in that location. Reverend
Spears concurred with Mr. Phillips' statement. Ms. Tinker asked Reverend Spears If the
thrust for the "HC application would be for the building also and he answered yes. Ms.
Tinker asked Reverend Spears had he spoken with the Temple Beth El congregation
regarding the application and he answered he had not. Reverend Spears stated that his
congregation bought the church and before they purchased it, the building was used as a
Montessori school. Ms. Tinker questioned the accuracy of a statement made on page 10 of
the reference of Palmer Street in the Del Mar Subdivision. Ms. Tinker stated she could not
find that street name in any of her research. After a brief discussion, it was a consensus
that the street name should be Palmero and it would be corrected.
Ms. Macon stated the reason she placed the "HC" application as a discussion Item on the
agenda was to give additional time for commissioners to thoroughly review the application
so that possible action could be taken at the August meeting. Mr. Phillips asked if Dexter
Harmon was also the architect for Wynn Seale Middle School and Ms. Macon answered she
did not know. Ms. Tinker complimented Reverend Spears on the wonderful research
provided for the application and Reverend Spears explained that he did not perform the
research. Reverend Spears continued that after he spoke with Ms. Macon about the
information needed for the application, Mr. Charles Les Henne, who is a architectural
student at Texas A & M pursing his masters degree, contacted us. Mr. Henne spoke with
someone at Temple Beth El and they recommended he talk with us. Mr. Henne was
required to do a project of a historical narrative that had t0 meet State requirements for a
designation and he chose their building.
Ms. Abarca asked Reverend Spears what will the "HC-F" designation do for the church In
addition to the marker being planned and he answered that the church plans to further
pursue county and state designations. Reverend Spears continued that having the historical
designations provide opportunities for them to apply for and receive grant monies t0 help
maintain the building. Reverend Spears stated there are approximately sixty-three (63)
active members in the congregation and the church has a limited budget, but the church
building is very large. Reverend Spears continued that the congregation loves the building
and they have a great opportunity for outreach and growth in the community. Ms. Tinker
asked Reverend Spears why did he not consider pursing full "HC" designation for the
building and he answered he did not know. Ms. Tinker asked would there be a problem if
they went for a full designation under "HC-I" or did the church have future plans to add on
to the building that would encumber them from pursing a higher designation. Reverend
Spears answered that the church is planning interior renovations and Ms. Tinker answered
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that the commission very rarely reviewed interior renovations. Ms. Tinker continued she
felt the church should pursue the "HC-1 designation,which was for public buildings open to
the public. Mr. Belcher referenced the chart and the restrictions associated with the "HC-I"
designation and Ms.Tinker stated the "HC-II" designation would still apply. Reverend Spears
responded to Ms. Tinker's comment by stating he had not considered designating the
entire building and he was not familiar with the "HC-I" designation. Ms. Macon stated for
clarification that she recommended Reverend Spears to apply for the "HC-F" designation
because she felt it would be more acceptable and easier to seek approval from the
congregation.
Mr. Grossman stated he concurred with Ms. Tinker's suggestion that the "HC-I or HC-IP
designations be pursued. Mr. Grossman continued he saw no reason that the designation
could not be pursued. This particular building has some very unique characteristics besides
the two sides facing the street. There are other Items that need to be protected also.
Mr. Orf stated that in the future, If the church had to make upgrades and modifications to
the facility for their functioning purposes, under a full "HC" classification any plan changes
to the building would have to be approved by the Landmark Commission. Mr.Orf continued
if the church applied for the two-side facade designation, the Landmark Commission would
have to review and approve any changes or modifications to those two facades only. Mr.
Orf continued he wanted to make sure that this information had been explained to
Reverend Spears and he fully understood. After further discussion, Reverend Spears stated
he did not feel comfortable in making the decision to apply for a higher "HC" designation.
Reverend Spears continued he would take the information he received at today's meeting
and discuss the zoning application with the Board of Directors t0 poll them tO see If they
would be interested In designating the entire building instead of applying for the"HC-F for
two sides of the building. Reverend Spears stated he would contact Ms.Macon after he met
with the Board of Directors to let her know of the board's decision regarding which
designation to move forward with on the application.
After all discussion and comments concluded, Ms. Douglas expressed thanks to Reverend
Spears for attending today's meeting and thanks to his congregation for their support in
historical preservation. Ms. Douglas continued their involvement could be the beginning of
renewed interest in our city's historical resources.
Gold Star Court Update: Ms. Macon stated that after last month's meeting, staff met and
the two groups are working to find the most durable solution so that the item does not go
before City Council. Ms. Macon continued it was hoped that that a solution could be found
within the next month.
Mr. Phillips informed commissioners that the Central Library would be submitting a grant to
create a web site for the Gold Star Court like they did for the Old Bay View Cemetery. Mr.
Phillips also informed commissioners that he received a letter from Lindsey Baker, Chair of
the Texas History Department with Tarleton State University. The letter requested
assistance in providing information regarding historic crime sites throughout Texas. Mr.
Phillips stated he would make the information available to commissioners; and possibly,
provide the requested information.
OTHER MATTERS:
Ms. Tinker stated the City Manager is leading the Sesquicentennial Committee. Ms. Tinker
continued that staff members from Planning and Public Relations are also helping lead the
charge,along with any committee members that were present at the first meeting. At the
last committee meeting, staff passed out an agenda of what needed to be done for the
celebration.
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Mr. Grossman asked what members from the committee attended the meeting and Ms.
Tinker answered that she, Rosene Bunyon, Les Cassidy, and Geraldine McGloin, were at the
last meeting. Ms. Macon clarified that the city has not disbanded the Sesquicentennial
Committee and all members were still in place. Ms. Tinker added several members were
trying to raise money to purchase fireworks.
Ms. Macon stated several activities were planned leading up to the September celebration.
Some of the activities planned are the Folk Life Festival in Heritage Park, a parade of city
vehicles; several schools will be participating in the parade. Free hotdogs and cokes will be
available. City Council will read excepts from some of the original minutes.
Ms. Tinker stated that a time capsule will be placed at the Central Library in celebration of
the Sesquicentennial and will be opened in 2006. Ms. Tinker continued she was open for
suggestions on what items should be placed Inside the capsule. After a brief discussion, Ms.
Brower suggested placing an ad in the newspaper announcing a contest would be held
asking for suggestions and Ideas of the items to be placed Inside the capsule.
There being no further business,the meeting was adjourned at 5:50 p.m.
Ind Li ams r _ Faryce Good aeon, IW Planner
Recon • g secretary Staff Liaison Landmark Commission
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