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MEMBERS PRESENT: Ms. Deborah Douglas, Chairman \tttpte8 .
Ms. Susan Abarca
Mr. Alan Belcher
Dr. David Blanke
Dr. Sharon Brower
Mr. Michael Cleary
Mr. Myron Grossman
Dr. Tom Kreneck
Ms. Grandis Lenken
Mr. Kevin Maraist
Dr. Richard Moore
Mr. Elmon Phillips
Ms. Bunny Tinker
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Terry Orf (Excused)
Mr. Alan Wahlers (Excused)
STAFF PRESENT: Ms. Faryce Goode-Macon, City Planner
Ms. Linda Williams, Recording Secretary
Ms. Deborah Douglas, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 4:40 p.m. The roll
was called and a quorum was declared.
Ms. Douglas Introduced and welcomed Dr. David L. Blanke to the Landmark
Commission. Commission members and staff introduced themselves. Dr. Blanke shared
with the commission that he graduated from Loyola University in Chicago and his area of
interest is early century and late 21" century history.
ACTION ITEM:
Aooroval of Minutes for November 14. 2002 Meeting: The minutes for the November
14, 2002 meeting were approved as distributed.
DISCUSSION ITEMS:
Report on Historical Video Production• Ms. Macon stated she would defer to Dr.
Sharon Brower who will provide additional information regarding a possible video
location and other items discussed at the meeting. Dr. Brower stated that she and
Ms. Tinker, members of the Video Sub-committee, met at the Museum of Science
and History with Rick Stryker, Director of the Museum. Dr. Brower continued they
went over the script and made additional changes from Mr. Stryker's perspective as
to what the Museum could use and also from the educational perspective on details
needed so that people could better understand and remember the important parts of
history. Dr. Brower stated at the meeting, It was suggested that the classroom
scenario; which would be a teacher reviewing history with her students, possibly be
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filmed at Menger Elementary School because of the building's historical significance
or the old school house in Annaville. Dr. Brower continued she contacted the
principal at Menger Elementary School and he is willing to have the filming occur at
his school, but he will have to check with the administration on policies and
procedures. Quadrant Productions would hire a person to play the role of the
teacher and also hire professional children actors to play most of the children's parts.
Dr. Brower continued that about eight or ten students possibly from Menger School
could be selected as the audience in the classroom. Dr. Brower concluded her
comments by stating she had not received any additional information since the
committee's meeting with Mr. Stryker.
Ms. Macon concurred with Dr. Brower's comments and stated she had not received
any additional information other than trying to gather information from the school
district. Ms. Macon stated she would be contacting Mr. Stryker and Quadrant
Productions the following week. Ms. Macon provided brief background information
on the video project for benefit of Dr. Blanke. Ms. Macon continued that the
Landmark Commission received a grant from the Texas Historical Commission for
production of a historical video. The video is centered on the early history of the city
leading into about 1960s. The video is approximately fifteen minutes long and is
geared towards third through fifth grade students. The video will include some text
that will assist students with the newly created State of Texas TAKS text, which
replaces the current TAAS tests. Ms. Macon continued that the film will be housed at
the Museum of Science and History and the school district will have access to the
video for possible Inclusion in the elementary social studies/history curriculum.
Report on Gold Star Court Marker: Ms. Macon provided brief background information
for benefit of Dr. Blanke. Ms. Macon stated the Landmark Commission approved
placement of a marker in the Gold Star Court on the upper portion of the bluff area
between Upper Broadway and Mesquite Street. The marker was approved to look a
certain way, along with other improvements made to the Gold Star Court - one
feature of this did not happen. The finished product of the marker Installed was not
what the Commission approved; therefore, the Commission had to negotiate with the
group, who was in charge of placing the marker in the court area, to mitigate the
situation in trying to find a work
able solution that all parties would approve. Ms. Macon continued that city
management became Involved in the effort because of the difficulty of both groups
coming to an agreement. After lengthy discussions and dialogue, the Landmark
Commission proposed an alternative to have city staff or the company that made the
marker to lay the marker down at an angle. The marker was originally placed
approximately 4 to 5 feet high and the commission did not approve the installation
as such. The marker was finally laid at a slight angle by city park staff about two
weeks ago. Ms. Macon continued that during the process of laying the marker, a
minor fracture occurred in which the park crew fixed.
Mr. Phillips added that the Gold Star Court was built in 1930 to commemorate the
soldiers from Corpus Christi who died in World War I. Mr. Phillips continued the Gold
Star Court fell Into disrepair and a local group wanted to refurbish it. The project
was about 90 percent right, but the 10 percent portion of the project was that the
marker resulted in looking like a three-part tombstone. Mr. Phillips commented that
the marker was not in keeping with the memorial so the compromise was to lay it
down so it was not quite as intrusive.
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Report on the Proposed "HC" Designated Properties and the "Potential Landmark"
Property: Ms. Macon explained to Dr. Blanke that the Landmark Commission has the
authority to review property that has historical significance. In the past several
months, the Landmark Commission has reviewed four properties for a "I-1C"
Historical-Cultural designation along with one property as a "Potential Landmark"
designation. Ms. Macon continued that the "HC" cases were successfully presented
to the Planning Commission at the December 18, 2002 meeting and they were
accepted and approved as recommended by the Landmark Commission. Ms. Macon
went on to say that the cases have been scheduled by the City Manager for a final
public hearing before City Council on February 11, 2003. Ms. Macon encouraged
commissioners that could to attend the meeting. The meeting will begin at 2 p.m.,
but that does not mean the cases will be at the beginning of the meeting. Ms. Macon
stated Council may have questions and a representative from the Landmark
Commission should be present to answer questions or offer comments.
OTHER MATTERS:
Ms. Macon stated a local citizen contacted her because of his interest in designating
his property possibly as a "potential landmark" or with the "HC-F" Facade designation for his
property. Ms. Macon continued that he wanted to first talk with his neighbors. The
property is located on Merrill Drive in the Saxet Heights Subdivision, which was one of the
original country club areas of the city. Ms. Macon stated there are nine (9) to ten (10)
homes on that street that are linked to old family names.
Ms. Macon stated, for informational purposes, on this Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at
2 p.m., Sween & McGloin Architects are giving a presentation on rehabilitation tax credits
for the Old Nueces County Courthouse. Ms. Macon continued the firm is requesting a
resolution of support from the City for the use of the tax credit. Ms. Macon went on to say
from the information she received; Nueces County is involved In trying to obtain additional
funds to match the grant received. They are working with Sween & McGloin Architects, who
are putting together the package. Ms. Macon asked Mr. Phillips if he had any additional
information on the project that he could share with the commission.
Mr. Phillips explained that Nueces County received a grant from the Texas Historical
Commission, as part of the "save our historical county courthouses" program, for $950,000
that had to be matched 100 percent. Mr. Phillips continued the County needed to raise the
same amount, and they are well on the way to raising it. Mr. Phillips went on to say they
found out if they had the total $1.9 million, they could qualify for about $500,000 in tax
credits; which they could then sell to raise additional funds. Mr. Phillips stated It would be
great if they could get the support. Mr. Phillips stated he and Dr. Kreneck discussed the
possibility of the commission submitting a resolution of support and he wanted to know if
the Landmark Commission would submit a resolution of support to the Nueces County
stating they are in support of the rehabilitation project of the county courthouse. Ms.
Macon stated that a resolution of support could be written if that was the consensus of the
commission members. Mr. Phillips stated he felt it was important to Include in the
resolution that the commission is in support of the project and we think the City Council
should support it.
Dr. Moore asked how tax credits worked and Mr. Phillips responded that he had
attended about three meetings that lasted several hours and the information provided was
very difficult to understand and he really did not know how It all worked. Mr. Phillips
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continued the tax credits are offered through a federal program with very strict guidelines
and are designed for individuals who need to offset their taxes.
Ms. Douglas explained that basically the organization that usually receives the tax
credits normally does not make enough money to receive a benefit, which is normally a
non-profit organization. The federal government allows such entities to sell the tax credits
to large corporations. Mr. Cleary added there are several banks located on the East Coast,
primarily in Boston and New York, which specifically seek the tax credits. Mr. Cleary stated
there is a discount, but it varies from time to time, but 90 percent is the going rate. Mr.
Cleary continued that his bank has funded low to moderate-income housing projects here in
the city by using tax credits. The states are allowed to issue so many credits annually.
Ms. Tinker stated that FDIC provided a publication that went into great detail as to
what federal monies targeted for low to moderate citizens who resided In the Fourth Ward
area of Houston, Texas. Those monies provided a needed overall improvement to the
housing in that area of the city. Ms. Tinker continued by asking if the city had recently
passed a bond program for low-income housing. Ms. Tinker went on to say if that was in
fact true, she would like for the Landmark Commission to request a meeting with
appropriate City Staff to discuss directing some of the allocated low-income money into
areas that the Landmark Commission has an interest. Ms. Tinker continued the commission
has interest in the area of South Bluff Park and Furman Avenue and those areas are eligible
for CDBG funding. Ms. Tinker continued that since "Rescue 911" has received $300,000 to
expand their operation on Park Avenue, the $500,000 would be a great impact in the area.
Ms. Tinker went on to say that she felt it would be good if the commission could steer
awareness and money into the areas they feel are Important to the city's preservation
efforts. Mr. Cleary clarified that monies targeted for the low-to-moderate first time home
buyers is an assistance program that applicants have to qualify for. There Is a long waiting
list of potential homeowners vying for those monies.
Ms. Tinker explained that after the Christmas holiday, a neighbor contacted her
requesting information about possibly seeking the "potential landmark" or "HC" designation
for his property. Ms. Tinker continued he sounded very interested, but he did have
concerns whether or not if applying for the designation would help or hinder him if he
wanted to sell the house at a later date.
Mr. Grossman asked if it would be appropriate for him, as a commissioner, to bring
forth a recommendation for a property to be designated and Ms. Macon answered that the
commission could initiate a zoning overlay change on a property or properties that are
opened to the public only. Mr. Grossman stated he asked the question because he was
interested In pursuing a historical designation for the old cotton gin located off Agnes Street.
Mr. Grossman continued that it appears that this cotton gin was the first one in Nueces
County. Mr. Grossman stated he went by and looked at the structure. Mr. Grossman
continued that the owner is Corpus Christi Disposal and it Is located on property the size of
a city block with caliche dirt. There are two buildings currently on the premise. Mr.
Grossman stated he felt the buildings were worthy of a historical designation. The buildings
are in remarkable condition and the interior is still in tact and close to their original design.
Mr. Grossman asked if the owner's permission was needed to designate the property
and Ms. Macon responded that the owner's permission was needed, since it was a private
ownership. Dr. Moore asked if it would be appropriate by designating the buildings and Mr.
Grossman responded that the buildings could be turned Into a museum relating to
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agriculture and possibly other uses. After further discussion, it was stated that Ms. Tinker's
grandfather was one of the former owners of the cotton gin.
Ms. Macon stated that initial contact should be made with the owner to see if there is
interest in pursuing a designation. Mr. Phillips added that the County Historical Commission
could possibly do a historical marker on the gin. Ms. Tinker stated she had all of the
licensing permits her grandfather had for the gin. Ms. Tinker continued that two of the
permits were not too specific as to the gin's location in the city. Dr. Moore asked where
exactly was the gin located and it was answered that the general location of the gin is
between the Circle K Store and Channel Six TV station behind South Staples Street near
Agnes Street.
Ms. Douglas commented that she was glad to see that the City was willing to write a
letter of support to the County Courthouse project.
Mr. Phillips commented that one of the good things that has happened was that the
Caller Times has finally gotten on board in their coverage in the historical arena. Murphy
Givens' column will be featuring an article on why property owners have torn down so many
of its historical resources.
Mr. Phillips stated he received a phone call from a local citizen who was concerned
that the old Port warehouses were going to be demolished to make way for construction of
the new baseball stadium. The port opened its facility in 1926 and the warehouse buildings
were constructed shortly thereafter. Some of the warehouse buildings were still being used.
There being no further comments or discussions, the meeting adjourned at 5:35
p.m.
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1. Dr. David Blake, new commission member, was introduced and welcomed to the Landmark
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2. Dr. Sharon Brower, member of the Historical Video Production Committee, provided an update on
the meeting with Museum staff. The committee suggested that the classroom scenario be filmed
at Menger Elementary School. Menger Elementary School was suggested because of the
building's historical significance.
3. Ms. Faryce Goode-Macon, Staff Liaison, gave an update on the marker project in the Gold Star
Court area. The historical marker was laid down at an angle.
4. Ms. Faryce Goode-Macon, Staff Liaison, gave an update on the December 18, 2002 Planning
Commission meeting. The Landmark Commission's recommendation to approve three properties
for a "HC-l" and one property for a "HC-F" overlay zoning designation were accepted and
approved by the Planning Commission. The cases have been scheduled for a public hearing
before City Council for Tuesday, February 11, 2003.