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MINUTES
LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
DECEMBER 19, 1991
MEMBERS PRESENT: Ms. Peggy Clark, Chairman
Ms. Patricia Atkins
Mr. James Catron
Mr. Edwin Goodman
Ms. Cynthia Hill-McKinney
Ms. Pam Lakhani
Mr. Govind Nadkarni
Ms. Alclair Pleasant
Mr. Michael Shelly
Ms. Bunny Tinker
Mr. Donald Victory
Ms. Mary Whitmire
Mr. Joe Williams
MEMBERS ABSENT: Ms. Mary Ellen Collins
Mr. Leslie Mabrey
STAFF PRESENT: Ms. Faryce Goode-Macon, Staff Liaison
Ms. Linda Williams, Recording Secretary
Mr. Michael Gunning, Senior Planner
The meeting was called to order at 4:35 p.m. by Ms. Peggy Clark, Chairman.
The roll was called and a quorum was declared.
Mr. Michael Shelly, new commissioner, was welcomed and introduced to
Landmark Commissioners. Mr. Shelly moved to Corpus Christi approximately two and
one-half years ago from Dallas, Texas and is Branch Manager for Lawyers Title
Insurance Corporation. Mr. Shelly was appointed to the Landmark Commission on
November 19, 1991 and fills the competency of a title searcher, vacated by the
resignation of Chip Carmer.
ACTION ITEMS(S):
Approval of November 20, 1991 Minutes: The minutes were approved as
distributed.
Review and Approval of CLG Grant Request: Ms. Faryce Goode-Macon,
provided brief background information regarding the CLG grant
process for the benefit of Mr. Victory and Mr. Shelly. Ms. Macon
stated that the Landmark Commission received "Local Government
Status" from the Texas Historical Commission (THC) approximately
three years ago. Since the City has been certified as a CLG, the
City is eligible to apply for grant funds through THC. The deadline
for this funding cycle is Friday, December 20, 1991. The funds will
be used as_matching funds through in-kind services provided by City
Staff and funds from the CDBG grant process. Ms. Macon continued
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that the total amount of the grant request is $14,447.50 and three
(3) items are included in this grant application:
1) Phase II-A of the historical site survey. This
is a continuation of Phase I. Five (5) targeted
areas included in this phase are
Hillcrest/Northside, Longview/Up River Road, Oak
Park, North Morgan Avenue, and Port Avenue
totaling approximately 320 sites - the amount
requested - $8,000;
2) CLG Conference - requesting funds for three (3)
people to attend the State Conference - Amount of
request - $697.50; and
3) Proposal to initiate a historical plaque/marker
program. One hundred (100) plaques will be
ordered - amount of request - $5,750.00 (this
amount also includes installation costs).
Ms. Macon stated that the grant request had been
reviewed by Staff and she would like ratification on the
submittal of the request. Ms. Clark asked if the
application had already been submitted and Ms. Macon
answered yes, since the deadline submittal was Friday,
December 20, 1991. Ms. Clark stated that even though
the request had been submitted, if the commission had
strenuous objections to any part of the request, an
amendment could be submitted to THC. There being no
further discussion, Ms. Clark requested commissioners to
ratify the grant application as outlined and submitted
to THC. The following action was taken:
IT WAS MOVED BY MS. TINKER AND SECONDED BY MS.
PLEASANT THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION RATIFY THE
SUBMITTAL OF THE CLG GRANT REQUEST, AS PRESENTED
BY STAFF, TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL CONtt1ISSION.
MOTION PASSED.
DISCUSSION ITEM(S):
Report On CLG Conference: Ms. Clark requested Mr. Goodman to give
an overview of the conference. Mr. Goodman stated that he, Govind
Nadkarni, and Bunny Tinker, from the Landmark Commission, Michael
Gunning, Planning Department, and a staff person from Community
Development, attended the two-day conference. Mr. Goodman stated
that he found the conference worthwhile. Mr. Goodman continued that
his interest came from two directions -- one as a member of the
Landmark Commission interested in historic preservation and
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banking side. Mr. Goodman stated that banks are becoming involved
through the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) in putting monies back
into the restoration of those properties and/or financing the sale
to individuals. Mr. Goodman continued there was one project from
the City of Beaumont or the City of Galveston where the Resoltuion
Trust Corporation (RTC) , which takes over properties from S&Ls,
joined forces with NCNB and restored several four (4) block houses.
NCNB handled the long-range financing part of the joint venture.
Ms. Tinker added they requested additional information from the
Enterprise Foundation on how to get public/private ventures going
and what procedures to follow to obtain funding. Ms. Tinker
informed commissioners that she checked the last list from RTC and
there is nothing in Corpus Christi on the list that is of interest.
Mr. Goodman added that properties do not have to come from RTC or
FDIC -- they can be old properties in the community. Mr. Goodman
stated they learned different ways in which to initiate a joint
venture on a particular historic project by working with the City
and various lending institutions, once a specific project has been
selected.
Nueces Task Force - Nueces County Courthouse: Ms. Clark stated she
was adding an unscheduled item to the agenda, a report from several
members of the Nueces County Task Force for the County Courthouse.
Ms. Clark requested Mr. Joe Williams, Landmark Commissioner, to give
an introduction to the report. Mr. Joe Williams stated he was
waiting for Mr. Dusty Durrill , who initially generated the idea
being presented at today's meeting. Mr. Williams introduced Mr.
Terry Orf, Staff Architect for Whataburger, Inc. , and Mr. Jim Rome,
Architect, also members of the Task Force. The floor was turned
over to Mr. Orf.
Mr. Orf stated that he, Mr. Williams, and Mr. Rome have been working
with Mr. Dusty Durrill on this particular program. Mr. Orf stated
he is a member of the Task Force and, for the past few months, the
Task Force has been trying to decide how to best recoup the title to
the Nueces County Courthouse. At this point, Ms. Clark explained
that Dusty Durrill is head of the Durrill Foundation who donated
money to the City for construction of the miradors erected on the
bayfront. The Foundation money came from a lawsuit that resulted
through the death of his daughter. Mr. Durrill has become very
interested in the courthouse as his next project and is trying to
get all of the pieces together. Mr. Orf explained that they have
been working with Mr. Durrill for approximately a month and he has
opened various doors in trying to find a workable solution for the
courthouse. Through Mr. Durrill 's efforts, Mr. Charles Bennett,
owner of the courthouse, has been located. Mr. Orf continued that
Mr. Durrill 's general idea is to get something started on the
courthouse -- once a viable revitalization program is started, more
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people will become available to aid in this effort. Mr. Orf stated
that Mr. Durrill has found a means to accomplish this objective --
through the State Criminal Justice System. At present, the State
Criminal Justice System has mandated a "Boot Camp" type program,
where first-time offenders, who are not the hardened criminal type,
are placed in a program where they can work off their sentence in a
civic type environment. This program is two-fold -- it provides a
function that heeds the community in a civic way and, at the same
time, the community is providing a training program for the
prisoners or "boot campees" to bring them back into society. The
program has been successful in other states and Texas has now joined
the bandwagon. The program is set up such that monies are
appropriated to provide a facility to provide housing for the
"campees. " The mandate is written as such that properties that are
abandoned such as the courthouse, community properties, are prime
targets for this kind of project. There are other counties in Texas
that have implemented a similar program -- Hidalgo County, located
south of Corpus Christi , and Travis County. In Hidalgo County, the
program was implemented where the campees' labor was utilized to
restore a county historic building. Mr. Durrill 's idea for the
program is to use the courthouse facility to house these people;
thereby using their labor to tear down what needs to be torn down,
take apart what needs to be taken apart, and to revitalize
components that are remaining and can be reused, such as the brick
work. By using this type of labor, the cost will be drastically cut
for revitalization of the building. Mr. Orf continued that it is at
this point where he, Mr. Rome, and Mr. Williams became involved.
They are helping Mr. Durrill promote the program concept to various
authorities and to get a feel from other public entities whether
they would be supportive of the project. Mr. Orf stated that this
proposal is not a long-term solution -- it is set up as a five-year
project. The idea is to move the people into the facility, start
the renovation process, and then as the five years progress and the
building's exterior is corrected, and the interior prepared for
revitalization, the people would be removed and relocated to another
facility. Once this part of the project is completed, another
structure could be possibly used for the same type of program.
State funds appropriated for this type of program startup can be
utilized in this manner and this five-year program is acceptable to
the State.
At this point, Mr. Orf presented a slide presentation showing
schematic drawings of the floor plans for the facility. The first
scheme proposes utilization of the first floor spaces in the older
structure to provide the required functions of a one-hundred forty-
four (144) bed facility. Renovation of the first floor would
provide administration offices, dormitories, dayrooms, and kitchen
facilities.
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The second scheme proposes rehabing the annex structure to provide
similar functions for a forty-eight (48) bed facility. Either
proposal would allow the historic courthouse to be the work place
for civic duties and an excellent environment for vocational
education. Once the program is underway in either of the
facilities, work can begin on the other more historic floors. Once
the floors are renovated and brought back to usable form, the
facility could accommodate private and public occupants. Mr. Orf
continued that it is their belief that once the exterior of the
building has been restored, the interior will be much easier to do.
Mr. Orf stated it is being considered to pull down the 1931 addition
to the building. A lot of the brick in that area can be reused in
renovating the remaining portions of the structure back to its
original character.
Mr. Jim Rome, Architect, addressed the Commission. Mr. Rome stated
that his area of expertise is that of restoration and reconstruction
of historical structures. Mr. Rome continued that the community is
extremely fortunate to have two people who have committed themselves
to this particular project. For the last ten years, it was
considered the kiss of death if the county courthouse was mentioned.
Mr. Rome continued that this picture is changing somewhat in that
two community leaders are stepping forward and saying that they are
in favor of saving the courthouse. Historic structures in the city
have traditionally meant only the restoration and the acceptance of
historic residences; but there is another aspect of restoration and
that is of public buildings. Mr. Rome continued that it seems that
the governmental entities, the City and County, have never thought
that this was an important aspect of our history; and most people
who are involved in the historical aspects of their community,
recognize that if you don't have a history, the city is in trouble
because you can't have a good handle on the future. Mr. Rome stated
that Corpus Christi looks to the City of San Antonio for guidance.
There are a lot of new things in San Antonio that are exciting and
they have been able to put together wonderful programs to draw the
public and tourists. One of the key elements to San Antonio's
successful preservation program is that the city has a history -- it
has an identity. Corpus Christi has that same identity but it has
been kept a secret. There has not been a lot done to promote the
area's history. Mr. Rome continued that an effort has been made
during the past two years to educate the public and our children in
school as to what the historic aspects are in the city, but there is
a long way to go. Until there has been a public structure or a
tangible project completed, the City will never be able to establish
its identity. Mr. Rome stated that the City has never established
an architectural identity -- everything that is thirty-five (35)
years old, or older, has been torn down. This type of mentality has
to be changed and in doing so, some of the structures that need to
be preserved should be; which will help identify the City's past.
Mr. Rome continued that is why the preservation of the Old County
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Courthouse is extremely important -- it is the last public building
in the city that is historical . The old city hall would have
attained that capability had it been left up. The structure had
enough historical interest and qualities that would have qualified
it as an historical landmark.
Mr. Dusty Durrill was introduced to the Commission. Mr. Durrill
apologized for being late to the meeting and expressed thanks to Ms.
Clark for allowing him to address the commission. Mr. Durrill began
his presentation by stating that on this afternoon, he spoke with a
staff person in Congressman Ortiz' office and they are working on
getting the first lien out of Resolution Trust for the title of
courthouse. Mr. Durrill continued that the San Jacinto Title
Company is also assisting this effort. Mr. Bennett's group is
willing to surrender the residual rights to the property and a tax
foreclosure that was filed several years ago, which does not include
taxes accrued for 1990 and 1991. Mr. Durrill continued that a tax
foreclosure sale will eliminate the taxes of $190,000, but another
$100,000 of taxes have accrued since that time. Mr. Durrill
contended that if a lawsuit was filed for the second set of
delinquent taxes, it would take too long to file and do a
foreclosure in the time frame that he is working under in trying to
obtain the funds from the Criminal Justice System. Mr. Durrill
continued that it has been discussed to file a foreclosure for the
first set of delinquent taxes and first lien; which would leave the
second set of taxes outstanding. Mr. Durrill stated that by filing
the foreclosure on the first lien, the residual and redemptive
rights of Charles Bennett would be cleared and then the group would
have ownership and control of the redemptive rights. After
obtaining redemptive rights, a foreclosure suit would be filed on
the first set of delinquent taxes totaling $190,000, leaving the
second set of taxes for $100,000; which will have to be eliminated
also. Mr. Durrill state that he spoke with several City Staff
members to see if it would be possible for the taxes to be paid and
then the City could pay the group $5,000 a month to manage the
property and do a washout to clear the book. The taxes cannot be
abated once they are on the books. There is quite a few suggestions
on what to do with the building. Mr. Durrill continued that he and
several other individuals have walked through the building and feel
that it is safe and sound and it does have commercial market value.
After Mr. Durrill 's presentation, the floor was opened for questions
and comments. Mr. Williams asked Mr. Durrill to give a more
detailed explanation of the project. Mr. Durrill stated that the
people that would be living in the facility are known as
"probationers" and not criminals that were removed from jail or
prison. Currently, the program is not designed to be permanent, but
it will be for five years. This is a control program for self
respect and not a redemptive program for a hard core criminal or
someone who has real mental problems; but it is for those
individuals where the presiding judge thinks would benefit in a
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condition of probation outside the prison system and the system is
set up to relieve the prison system. At this point with the
prison's overcrowding conditions, this type of program has received
a lot of support. In Texas, there are two programs already
established -- one in Hidalgo County and Travis County. Mr. Durrill
continued that he spoke with the sheriffs from both counties who
administered the programs. Hidalgo County used this program to
rehabilitate a building in the downtown area. The program was
successful and they were happy with the outcome. After the program
was over, the contractor hired a lot of the people who worked on the
building because they were good workers. The program was positive
for the participants in that they got jobs and received good
training. Another big benefit derived from the program was that
after the building was rehabilitated, the workers were used on
other projects throughout the county. By using this type of work
force, the county's operating cost decreased drastically.
Mr. Durrill continued that in Travis County, the program is used in
the outside of town primarily for road maintenance, in the City of
Austin to clean up public areas and perform work on public
buildings. They have not rehabilitated a building as such as being
proposed for the county courthouse or as was done in Hidalgo County.
In the United States, approximately twelve (12) programs have been
successfully implemented, and the programs are viewed as a new way
to attack the criminal justice rehabilitation problem in getting
individuals back into the mainstream. Travis County uses surplus
military uniforms for the participants.
Ms. Clark asked Mr. Durrill what was the time frame for the program
and Mr. Durrill answered that after the funds are allocated, the
program has to be in place by August 1992. The program is for three
years. There is no indication that the program would not be
continued. Each program is administered by the county sheriff and
it is set up to be implemented in the best way possible to run the
program. Ms. Clark asked at what point would he like for the
Landmark Commission to give an endorsement and Mr. Durrill replied
that at this point, it is undecided as to what is needed from any of
the groups. Mr. Durrill continued that at this point, the problem
is to determine where the title of the building should be. Neither
Nueces County or the City of Corpus Christi want the building. Mr.
Durrill continued that he spoke with Mr. Tom Utter and was told that
the title could be placed in the County's name and then maybe sell
or lease the building to a private entity for $1 a year for a
specified time frame. Mr. Durrill stated that in order to get the
tax foreclosure, the procedure will have to go through a taxing
entity's ownership before it can be placed in permanent ownership.
Mr. Durrill stated that the proposal has not been publicly
disclosed. He wanted to compile as much information and try to
foresee any problems that might arise once the proposal is
announced. Mr. Durrill stated that some people would have a problem
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with the community service academy being located in the downtown
area. Mr. Durrill continued that he feels that once the proposal is
announced with as much information available, the opposition will be
minimal .
Mr. Orf stated that the group would like the Landmark Commission's
blessings on the project. Mr. Orf continued that the proposal has
not been publicly disclosed. After all comments had been received,
Ms. Clark stated that the program is very exciting and she expressed
thanks to Mr. Durrill for addressing the commission and presenting
the proposal and expressed thanks to commissioners serving on the
Task Force.
Mr. Nadkarni asked if there were any expectations expected from the
Commission and Mr. Durrill answered that at this point, an
endorsement is not needed.
Ms. Tinker asked if there were going to be any problems about
removing the 1931 addition to the courthouse and if it would be
feasible to house some of the participants in that part of the
building and Mr. Rome answered that he does not think the Texas
Historical Commission would have a problem with removing that
portion of the building being torn down if the major structure would
be saved. Mr. Durrill added that the Texas Historical Commission
stated their only concern was for the 1914 original structure.
Ms. Clark requested Mr. Orf to elaborate on the alternate plan of
housing inside the main part of the building rather than tearing
down the annex addition. Mr. Orf stated that the proposal met with
some opposition. Mr. Orf continued that the building still has to
meet today's building code requirements and they have to talk with
the fire marshall to be ensure that all of the proposed can be
accomplished. Mr. Orf continued that part of the problem with the
1931 addition to the building is that after it was built and the
highway was installed, the constant rumbling of the highway and
traffic have attributed to the problem of the structure. Although
the addition could be possibly brought into sound condition, there
is no guarantee that the restoration will last because the highway
still exists. Architecturally, if the 1931 addition can be cleared
away from the freeway and provide a buffer zone it might make a big
difference. Ms. Tinker clarified that she meant if any damage was
done, it would be in the 1931 addition which would eventually be
torn down. Mr. Orf stated that the proposed plan for the bottom
floor, other than bringing the plumbing facilities, mechanical and
ventilation systems, and electrical wiring up to code standards, is
to remove some minor removal of interior walls to open up the space
would be accomplished. A majority of the interior spaces, with the
exception of the courtrooms that still exist, would probably be
cleared out, except the substructure, and prepared for the new
usage.
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Ms. Clark again expressed thanks to Mr. Durrill , Mr. Orf, and Mr.
Rome for attending today's meeting and giving the Landmark
Commission an opportunity to share in the proposed program for the
courthouse. Ms. Clark stated that the Landmark Commission will
prepare a letter of endorsement of the proposed program in January
1992.
Report on Planning Commission's Action on Preservation Plan: Ms.
Faryce Goode-Macon, Staff Liaison, stated that the Preservation Plan
is being submitted for review by City Council . Staff has requested
that a cost analysis be prepared for the policy statements. A
question was asked what was the purpose of the cost analysis and Mr.
Gunning clarified that Mr. Bill Hennings requested Staff to provide
costs analysis for the policy statements to see what the economical
impact would be to the City in implementing the policies. Mr.
Gunning continued that most of the recommendations have no costs
identified and some of them do. Ms. Macon added that once the costs
analysis is completed and Staff has reviewed, it is hoped that the
packet will be forwarded to City Council in February 1992.
Slide Presentation on Old Irish Town (Part II): Ms. Macon presented
the remaining portions of the slide presentation for the Old Irish
Town addition. The remaining properties were reviewed and rated as
follows:
1409 Mesquite Street - The Wilkerson House was built in 1903,
residential use, Queen Anne style, current property owner is
Frank Garza; low priority rating changed to high.
1415 Mesquite Street - Was the home of Dr. W. E. Willis, built
in 1894, residential use, present condition - fair; medium
priority rating.
1416 Mesquite Street - This structure is part of the Woods'
Estate; built in 1910, Classical Revival style; low priority
rating.
1419 Mesquite Street - Shirley Wilkerson is current owner,
house was built in 1914, Queen Anne style, condition - fair;
medium priority rating. Mr. Charles Mew once resided in this
house. Mr. Mew was a night watchman for the railroad - high
priority rating.
1420 Mesquite Street - House was built in 1910, Bungalow
style, low priority rating because of extensive alterations
that are not consistent with the original style.
1421 Mesquite Street - Structure was built in 1940s, no
stylistic influence, was commercial/trade use in the area,
rectangular plan, medium priority rating, changed to low.
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1601 Mesquite Street - Moore's Auction Arena, structure built
in 1939, commercial/trade use, owned by Ed Moore, no stylistic
influence, low priority rating, changed to medium.
1621 Mesquite Street - Structure built between 1920-1940s,
Moderne Stylistic influence, fair condition, commercial/trade
use, rectangular plan, medium priority rating.
304 Palo Alto Street - No documented information available.
1409-1/2 Palo Alto Street - Laurel Apartments, poor condition,
built between 1910-1930s, residential stylistic influence,
Bungalow style, L-plan, medium priority rating changed to
high.
1413 Palo Alto Street - Structure was built between 1900-
1910s, Bungalow style, residential use, rectangular plan, low
priority rating.
Jalufka Twin Houses - Built between 1890-1910, Classical
Revival style. One of the structures had fire damage - low
priority rating changed to high.
304-310 Power Street - Surf Apartment built in 1920s, Art
Deco, rectangular plan, residential use, high priority rating.
511 Power Street - No style, no estimation of year built, low
priority rating.
1218 North Water Street - Water Street Stormwater Pump Plant,
built in 1948, governmental function, no style, high priority
rating.
1401 North Water Street - Structure was built in 1910s, A-
symmetrical , Bungalow style, residential use, fair condition,
high priority rating.
There being no further business, the meeting was officially
adjourned at 6:15 p.m.