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MINUTES
LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
JULY 28, 1994
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Edwin Goodman, Chairman
Mr. Joe Dove
Mr. Adam Klager
Mr. Govind Nadkarni
Ms. Melissa Nucete
Ms. Alclair Pleasant
Mr. Charles Speed
Ms. Bunny Tinker
Mr. John Wright
Mr. Joe Williams, Advisory
MEMBERS ABSENT: Ms. Patricia Atkins (Excused)
Mr. James Catron (Excused)
Ms. Cynthia Hill•McKinney (Excused)
Ms. Pam Lakhani (Excused)
Mr. Leslie Mabrey (Unexcused)
Mr. Michael Shelly (Unexcused)
STAFF PRESENT: Ms. Faryce Goode•Macon, City Planner
Ms. Linda Williams, Recording Secretary
The meeting was called to order at 4:40 p.m. by Mr. Edwin Goodman, Chairman.
The roll was called and a quorum was not present. With the arrival of Ms. Pleasant
and Mr. Nadkarni, a quorum was declared.
ACTION ITEMISI:
Approval of June 23. 1994 Minutes: The June 23, 1994 Minutes were
approved with the following corrections:
Page 1 • Second paragraph: Ms. Nucete's name was corrected to
Melissa. The minutes stated Nancy.
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Page 3 Paragraph under "Warehouse in the Industrial District,"
the word "quonset" was misspelled. The minutes reflected the
spelling "quasi."
Page 6 • Paragraph five, last sentence: Ms. Tinker questioned
whether the statement made by Mr. Dove was worded correctly and
Mr. Dove clarified that he meant if the government found it to be
more cost effective to modernize the facility rather than restore it,
and if the government had to get approval from the Landmark
Commission, there would be an even higher possibility that the base
could face closure in the next review of projected closing.
Review of Substandard Structure Located at 721 Park Avenue: Ms. Sue
Corey, Zoning Code Enforcement Administrator, addressed the commission.
Ms. Corey apologized for the delay in the Landmark Commission's meeting
not starting at 4:30 because the Building Standards Board meeting lasted
longer than anticipated. Ms. Corey explained that one of her tasks that
she must perform is to review and enforce substandard buildings and
today at 1:30 p.m., one of the cases reviewed at the Building Standards
Board Meeting, with a recommendation for partial demolition, was a
building located at 721 Park Avenue. This building is on the Landmark
Commission's preservation survey. In 1991, it was reviewed, construction
date of 1930, originally called Casa Grande Apartments and, at that time
in the 1930s, there is a note indicating there were twelve (12) apartment
units. The current owner has four units occupied, a fifth one partially
renovated, and the remaining portion of the structure is vacant. There is
a total of eight proposed units according to a building permit on file. In
the 1991 survey, it was noted that the condition of the structure was poor
and the interior appeared to be deteriorated. Ms. Corey commented that
she has personally inspected the building and has slides to show of the
structure's exterior and interior. Ms. Corey stated that her
recommendation to the Building Standards Board was to demolish a portion
of the building; and the crux of the problem is that the building has
deteriorated to such an extent that it will take excessive amounts of
money to bring it up to code and make it occupiable. Four units are
currently occupied,and the property owner has been trying to renovate the
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rest of the building and has not taken care of the occupied units, and now
the occupied units are deteriorated. Ms. Corey continued she reviewed one
of the occupied units and there were some severe deteriorated conditions -
• bathroom floor rotted out, full floor about a 30 degree angle, roof leaks,
and rotted ceiling.
Mr. Goodman asked what did the owner want to do with the building and
Ms. Corey answered he wants to save the entire building. Ms. Nucete
asked if the owner was hoping to renovate and fix the building to rent it
and Ms. Corey answered yes. Mr. Dove asked Ms. Corey what action did
the Building Standards Board take on the building and Ms. Corey answered
she requested the Board to table the case until the Landmark Commission
reviewed the structure, since it is on the preservation survey. At this
point, Ms. Corey began the slide presentation. The slides showed the
following conditions of the structure:
o Cracks in the brick;
o Wooden portion toward the end that is rotten;
o Exposed floor joist of the garage. Ms. Tinker asked if
there was a garage apartment and was it to be
demolished also and Ms. Corey replied yes there is a
garage apartment occupied by the manager and
demolition is being sought.
o Ceiling in an occupied unit to give a general idea of
the conditions that the tenants are living in. The
owner told me that the units are fully renovated and
they are liveable.
o Bathroom floor of the occupied unit is completely
rotted;
o Ceiling of another occupied unit •• cracked and plaster falling
off exposing electrical wiring;
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e Another side view of the building -- picture was taken
• on the opposite side of Park Avenue on the property
taking a picture of the second floor of the building.
o ' An unoccupied area of the building •• shows splices on
• the roof framing that are sagging at an approximate
32 degree angle. The splices are not working and do
• not meet city code. Ms. Tinker asked if the building
• had a flat roof and Ms. Corey responded yes.
a • The last slide showed a common hallway shared
between two tenants and the tenant on the left side
• of the hallway had no electricity. The tenant received
electricity through running extension cords from the
apartment to the electrical socket in the hallway.
After Ms. Corey's presentation, the floor was opened for comments and
question. Mr. Goodman stated that basically Ms. Corey was requesting
the Landmark Commission to approve the recommendation of demolishing
that portion of the building that has deteriorated so that the Building
Standards Building can move forward with the process. Mr. Goodman
asked if there any questions the commissioners wanted to ask at this time.
Ms. Tinker recommended that a member of the Landmark Commission
review the structure before any action is taken. Several commissioners
voiced that it would be a unnecessary use of time to inspect the building
after reviewing the slides presented by Ms. Corey. Ms. Corey interjected
that the Commission does not have to make a decision today because the
Building Standards Board meet once a quarter. Ms. Corey added that
Zoning and Code Enforcement will work with the property owner as best
as they can to convince him without Building Standards Board action; but
because the building is on the preservation survey, the Landmark
Commission's approval is needed to proceed.
Ms. Nucete asked when was the next Building Standards Board meeting
and Ms. Corey answered the next meeting is in October. Mr. Goodman
stated that Ms. Corey needs the commission's support so they can move
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forward to either demolish or renovate that portion of the building. Mr.
Nadkarni added that if the Board does not meet until October, he
recommends that the Landmark Commission table taking action until the
August meeting.
Ms. Tinker stated that the building is probably one of the oldest extant
apartment units left in the city and the commission should at least look at
the building before a decision is made. After the review and the
commission feels that portion should be torn down, there would be no
need to pursue it further. At this point, Ms. Macon read the consultant's
survey report and it was given a low priority rating.
Mr. Goodman stated'that Ms. Corey has already inspected the building and
has presented slides to document her findings and we should allow the
Board to proceed either to force the owner to bring the building up to code
or demolish the portion that needs to be torn down. Even though the
building is on the innervation survey, it will take an excessive amount of
money to truly renovate or bring it up to code. After Mr. Goodman's
comments, he requested action to approve Ms. Corey's recommendation to
move forward with demolishing that portion of the building that needs to
he torn or force the owner to bring the property up to code.
Mr. Wright asked Ms. Corey what was the normal process in a situation
when the property owner has failed to bring a structure up to code and is
faced with an ultimatum by the Building Standards Board. Ms. Corey
responded that the owner is served notice of what would happen if the
building was not brought up to code. Mr. Wright asked how long ago was
the owner notified and Ms. Corey answered that Staff began this case in
the spring. Mr. Wright asked was there a time line to follow and had we
reached a critical point where a decision had to be made and Ms. Corey
answered yes. Ms. Corey stated that essentially, Staff is required to go
to a public hearing process through the Building Standards Board and once
that Board makes the decision to either require demolition andlor repair,
a time line is imposed. If that time line is ignored, then further
enforcement procedures either through the court system, and in the case
of a vacant structure, the building is tarn down by the City and a lien is
placed on the property.
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Ms. Tinker pointed out that the Landmark Commission, in a similar
circumstance regarding property in Old lrishtown, pulled together some of
the expertise on this commission, which is why there are various experts
on the commission, to work together with the property owner to get the
necessary financing. Mr. Joe Williams worked with the owner and made
recommendations and suggestions as to what could be done to save the
structure and it was. Ms. Tinker continued that the Landmark
Commission's main objective is to save structures that are listed on our
survey and are designated. Ms. Tinker stated she is not doubting Ms.
Corey's question as to whether part of the building should be torn down,
but she feels the Commission should not vote on it without someone
reviewing the structure to determine if it is more salvageable if we could
work with the owner and enable him to do what needs to he done to bring
the building up to code and rent it.
Ms. Macon asked Ms. Corey if she knew how much money the owner had
spent on the structure and Ms. Corey answered that not only does the
owner have an outstanding mortgage, but he has invested approximately
$40,000. Ms. Macon asked if the property would be eligible for City
funding and Ms. Corey answered that prior to 1989, there was a different
owner of this structure. The (1989) property owner received approximately
$120,000 in grant monies for rental rehab and the money was spent.
After the money was spent, the owner relinquished ownership of the
property back to the City. Ms. Corey continued at that time, she was not
personally aware of the state of repair or disrepair of the building because
she was not involved. The City repossessed the property, tried to sell it,
and could not find a buyer. The current owner purchased the property in
1991 and has an outstanding mortgage and, at his word, mentioned that
he spent approximately $40,000 in renovation. Basically, the owner
cannot keep up with the cost of repairs. Ms. Nucete asked how much was
the outstanding mortgage and Ms. Corey stated he owes $80,000.
Ms. Tinker asked if the current owner or the previous owner put in the
wiring and Ms. Corey stated that part of it was put in by the previous
owner, but most of the substantial outdoor boxes were put in by the
current owner.
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Mr. Dove stated that if this gentleman does not get any protection from
the Landmark Commission, would the Building Standards Board have more
leverage in making the owner fix up the building and Ms. Corey
commented that if this building was not on the preservation survey, she
would not have been at the Landmark Commission's meeting, the decision
would have been made at the Building Standards Board meeting at 1:30
p.m. and a demolition order would have been ordered with the imposed
time line in place.
Ms. Nucete commented that her concern was that the landlord was willing
to let people live in those conditions and, in her personal opinion, any
reputable landlord would not have people using a bathroom in that
condition. Ms. Nucete continued that if Staff and the Commission were
working with someone with occupied units that were in fairly good
condition, it would make it easier to work with the owner. It is very
evident that the owner is not concerned if he is willing to let people live
in those conditions. If the City is able to go inside and take pictures, he
is aware of what is taking place in the units. Ms. Nucete commented that
if the owner gets too much backing from the Landmark Commission, he
might feel he doesn't have to do anything to the units and these conditions
will continue.
Mr. Goodman commented that he feels the owner has the capability of
repairing the units and bringing them up to code, and he feels the owner
isn't going to repair the units. Mr. Goodman stated he did not want the
Landmark Commission standing in the way of City Staff doing what needed
to be done to get the situation corrected.
Ms. Tinker stated that maybe the Landmark Commission could pressure the
owner into repairing the units. Ms. Tinker continued the Commission
should inform the owner that the apartment units are considered a
landmark and are valuable to the history of the city, and he should want
to repair them to avoid demolition.
Ms. Nucete interjected that the ultimate pressure to the owner would be
when the Landmark Commission makes it clear to him that if he doesn't
repair the units, the City will tear down that portion of the structure that
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is not safe. Ms. Nucete continued that, as the property owner, that
ultimatum would let him know that his property would no longer be
protected by the Landmark Commission. If the Landmark Commission took
this position, it would also give Staff leverage to make the owner move.
Mr. Goodman added that the Landmark Commission could only delay the
demolition for thirty days.
Mr. Kksger asked Ms. Corey if the Commission voted on her
recommendation today, when would the Building Standards Board take
immediate action on the recommendation and Ms. Corey stated that the
recommendation will not be made to the Board until October.
Ms. Tinker stated that the Landmark Commission has a minimum obligation
to carry out the commission's duties and Mr. Nadkarni asked what were
the commission's duties in this situation and Ms. Tinker responded that we
should go and look at the structure to see if we agree with Staff's
recommendation. Mr. Nadkarni stated that he has seen the building and
it is not structurally sound. Mr. Nadkarni added that if Ms. Tinker was
referring to the architectural significance of the building or as a landmark,
then he would agree that Mr. Williams should review the building. Mr.
Nadkarni again emphasized that the portion of building in question was not
structurally sound and if a 60 to 80 mile wind came through the city, that
portion would suffer destruction.
Mr. Wright commented that the state of the building is obvious from the
pictures shown and that is why we are at this point Mr. Wright
continued he feels if a member of our commission wants to review the
structure further, they should be able to do so. Mr. Nadkarni interjected
he was not commenting on living conditions in the units, but structurally
the units are a life hazard to anyone living in them. Ms. Tinker asked for
clarification from Ms. Corey that she was not requesting demolition for the
entire building and that some of these living conditions exist in the portion
which demolition is not requested and Ms. Corey stated yes. Ms. Corey
clarified that her request to the Building Standards Board was to demolish
the back half of the building that is unoccupied and force repair of the
occupied portion.
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Mr. Nadkarni stated that is why he did not comment on the living
conditions previously because that portion of the building is not part of the
demolition. The demolition request covers the back portion where the
brick has fallen off and is structurally unsafe.
Ms. Tinker asked where were the rafters located and Ms. Corey stated the
rafters are located in the back portion of the unit. Mr. Nadkarni stated
that the City Zoning and Code Enforcement Division wants to tear down
the back portion of the apartment building, but they cannot because the
structure is on the preservation survey. The owner may think that the
preservation survey is going to support him in not tearing down the unit
regardless of the time line, he is not going to do anything with the
property and keep it as is. If the Landmark Commission tells the owner
that the property does not look good and if he does not repair it, the
property will be removed from the preservation survey, it gives the Zoning
Code and Enforcement Division more power to do what ever needs to be
done.
Mr. Wright asked Ms. Corey if the commission took action at today's
meeting, could she do anything with the Commission's recommendation and
Ms. Corey replied that nothing would happen until October, that is the next
meeting for the Building Standards Board. Mr. Goodman stated he felt the
issue should be resolved at today's meeting to avoid misuse of time at the
August meeting. Mr. Wright commented he agreed with Ms. Tinker that
the Commission should take the time necessary to review the structure
and make a recommendation after that review and it should not be
considered a misuse of time. Mr. Wright continued that it is part of the
Commission's duties to review these things, since we put it on the survey.
Mr. Wright added that taking the time to review the building is not
delaying anything since the Board does not meet until October.
Ms. Macon asked Ms. Corey when she speaks to the property owner if he
would be informed as to what action was taken on his case and Ms. Corey
replied she will contact the owner, in writing, informing him that the
Building Standards Board tabled action on his case until October. Ms.
Tinker asked if the owner knew his property was on the survey and Ms.
Corey answered unsure. Ms. Corey commented that he may know it is
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listed, but she had not discussed it with him. Ms. Corey commented that
the owner did not appear at the Building Standards Board meeting and he
was properly notified.
After all comments were received, it was agreed that Ms. Tinker would
review the apartment units and contact the owner and report at the
August meeting.
Ms. Macon stated she received the consultant's bid for Phase 114 of the
Preservation Site Survey. Ms. Macon continued that only one bid was
received and that bid was from Sally Victor, Preservation Consultant who
performed the previous phases. Ms. Victor's bid was $9,900; which was
within the total budget proposal. Ms. Macon was requested to speak to
Ms. Victor regarding the darkness of the slides and Ms. Macon stated she
would speak with her about the lighting. Ms. Tinker asked what areas
would be surveyed in this phase and Ms. Macon stated properties located
Downtown, South Morgan to North Louisiana Parkway Area,
AgnesltaredolAirport Road Area, and South Louisiana ParkwaylOcean
DrivelAirline Road Area. Ms. Victor will survey approximately 336
properties; which is more because of the large number of structures in the
downtown area. Ms. Macon stated she needed the Commission's approval
to accept the bid proposal received from Ms. Victor. After all comments
were received, the following action was taken:
IT WAS MOVED BY MR. DOVE AND SECONDED BY MR. KLAGER
THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION ACCEPT THE BID PROPOSAL
OF $9,900 FROM THE SALLY VICTOR, PRESERVATION
CONSULTANT, TO COMPLETE PHASE 11.4 OF THE PRESERVATION
SITE SURVEY.
MOTION PASSED.
DISCUSSION ITEMS):
Uadate on Nueces County Courthouse: Mr. Dusty Durrill addressed the
Commission regarding the status of the County Courthouse. Mr. Durrill
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stated the game plan has been in a holding pattern and not have vagrants
sleeping in the building. The group has been searching diligently trying to
find a group or groups that are interested in using the building. Mr.
Durrill continued that he has been in contact with officials from General
Services in Washington, and the federal courthouse officials, and the
building does not meet their needs, although they agree that the building
is restorable.
Mr. Durrill stated he had been in discussion with Texas A&M officials for
approximately one year. They are interested in the building, they can see
how the building can be integrated into their system. Surveys have been
conducted to see the feasibility of the building. Mr. Durrill continued that
it was a major concession for them to allow their name to be mentioned
in conjunction with the building. At this time, a proposal is to get the
Architectural Department from A&M College Station to make the
courthouse a school project and have the students do all the architectural
work on the building, which would be a great cost reduction, and at the
same time, give us a legitimate stamp of usage for the structure. The
A&M system cannot accept a building that has not been totally renovated.
Mr. Durrill continued that the College Station University system funds
cannot be accessed, but there are some tuition bonds available that are
being investigated that might be sold in Austin to cover some of the
renovation costs.
Mr. Durrill stated that a group from Central America, Costa Rica, are very
definitely interested in locating in part of the structure, they are interested
in only one or two floors of the structure. Mr. Durrill continued that the
ownership of the building would be in question. The building has to have
an acceptable public owner in place. Mr. Durrill went on to say there are
several groups that have definite interest in the building, but nothing has
been definitely decided. Mr. Durrill continued that out of the several
groups involved, the circle keeps returning to the A&M System which
seems to be the most viable course.
Mr. Durrill stated that more access to legislators has to be built and more
state officials should be involved in the project. Mr. Durrill continued that
if the state officials in Austin want the A&M System to locate in the
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structure, it can happen, but it is going to take some lobbying. Mr. Durrill
went on to say that he does not have the personal time to really devote
to the lobbying effort because he is involved with the TeleCommunications
project and the Columbus Fleet. Mr. Durrill stated since he is involved
with other projects, he really has not done anything with the courthouse
except answer questions. Mr. Durrill continued that he has no doubt that
most of the "tear down" enthusiasts have backed down. There seems to
he a little bit of public sentiment on the courthouse side to save it instead
of tearing it down. Mr. Durrill stated that Mr. Robert Rowlins, who is a
major property owner in that area, feels that the building should be torn
down. A question was asked if Mr. Rowlins felt that way because of the
"gateway project" and Mr. Durrill answered that Mr. Rawlins' position has
nothing to do with the gateway project, but rather it is his personal dislike
for old buildings. Mr. Rowlins supports demolishing the structure to make
way for parking.
Mr. Durrill stated he feels very strongly that they are at an area where
possibly the Landmark Commission, or another historic group will have to
get started on a legislative push to get our legislators on board to put this
building in the A&M System. There is absolutely no objections voiced
when the proposal of A&M being a tenant in the structure is presented.
The Board of Regents should be lobbied as well as legislators. If a
lobbying effort is undertaken, and if the Regents want the A&M System
housed in that building, it can and will happen. The Board of Regents can
see the benefits of having that billboard for the university located in that
area; which will change the image of A&M that they could never get on
Ward Island. The image of the city would also be changed to a "university
city." The benefits would he awesome for both Texas A&M University •
Corpus Christi and the city. Mr. Durrill continued that in order for this to
happen, it is going to take a concerted effort, a lot of lobbying, and some
time. Mr. Durrill stated that he thought he would be able to get the A&M
proposal going for the 1994 fall semester with the Architect Department,
but the request has to go through the proper procedures and channels.
Mr. Durrill added that he contacted the department head for the Architect
Department at College Station, and was told the request had to go to Dr.
Ferguson and come back down through the system before it will happen.
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Mr. Durrill commented that Mr. Tom Utter was investigating a proposal
whereby the students' travel and housing expenses might be paid for. Mr.
Durrill emphasized again that this fall he will not have the personal time
to pursue the courthouse as much as needed. Mr. Durrill continued that
the Landmark Commission has the means to put together someone that
could monitor the project. Mr. Durrill commented that he would be willing
to lend counsel in getting some kind of movement on contacting state
officials and legislators and to the Board of Regents for A&M.
Mr. Durrill referenced another possible source for renovating the
courthouse -- ISTEA federal transportation monies. Mr. Durrill stated that
these federal funds have been used for several courthouse renovations
during this last allocation. The funds through this program have decreased
every year. Mr. Durrill continued that a sponsoring agency is needed and
if a proper presentation was made, ISTEA monies could be used to
renovate the exterior of the building. If the exterior of the building is
redone, which will help save the structure, the interior of the building can
be done at a later period. Mr. Durrill stated he has not followed up on
what is really needed to receive ISTEA monies, but the City has committed
their allocation to the gateway project and Nueces County has also
committed their allocation. On the next funding cycle of ISTEA monies, the
courthouse is one of the top fifteen (15) projects to be saved throughout
the state. In some of the smaller towns, an estimated $1 to 51.5 million
of ISTEA funds have been used in restoring their courthouses. Mr. Durrill
continued that approximately 54 million will be needed to strip and redo
the exterior of the courthouse. This cost does not include taking down the
1931 addition. A conclusion has been reached the 1931 addition has been
stabilized and it might be saveable by installing an expansion joint under
and rehricking the entire structure. To perform all of this will require the
expertise of an engineer and dialogue has taken place with officials from
A&M's engineering department about possibly using engineering students
to do the work. After Mr. Durrill's presentation, the floor was opened for
questions and comments.
Ms. Tinker asked if the A&M Board of Regents had to still he convinced
to endorse the project and Mr. Durrill responded that what has happened
time wise. Dr. Bob Ferguson is totally consumed in getting this university
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on line as a four-year institution with all new construction taking place
and establishing a brand new curriculum. Dr. Ferguson fully endorses the
project, but the Board of Regents are looking at Ward Island as the main
focus. The Board recognizes the value of the building. After A&M is
opened as a four-year school, then the courthouse building can be
addressed with their full focus. There is no doubt that we can get their
full attention and support level once the school is on-line as a four-year
university. As long as something is happening, the public is happy, and
once nothing happens, the public gets very nervous.
Ms. Tinker asked Mr. Durrill to elaborate on his comment regarding
legislators belonging to a certain committee. Mr. Durrill answered there
are 48 types of funding that can be obtained outside the State of Texas
if enough people want the elected officials (Truan, Berlanga, Hunter, etc.)
and other legislators in Austin to get this courthouse taken care of, they
can find the ways and means to do it and they can work with A&M
officials to accomplish it. Mr. Durrill continued that the State of Texas
can take the courthouse building, restore it, and give it to A&M, but it will
require legislative action to accomplish it. Mr. Durrill stated that by law,
A&M cannot take the building until it is totally restored, which protects
the school from getting stuck with an unfinished building. Mr. Durrill
continued that no one wants to get on board with a losing project. If
State legislators see enough support for the project, they are more inclined
to become a part of it, but they will not get on board with Dusty Durrill
by himself. Mr. Durrill stated that he will transfer ownership to any group
to neutralize the situation because he wants to save the building. Mr.
Durrill continued that he welcomed any suggestions and outside input as
to what the next step should be and he was willing to help in any way he
can, but his personal time was very limited.
Mr. Wright stated that as the gateway project moves forward, has there
been any ideas of using the courthouse site for other than the building
being located on it and Mr. Durrill responded that he did not know of any
viable ideas -- any government agency has to be a very strong one like the
federal court system, but the building was too small for them. The parking
of the building is controlled by the City. Mr. Durrill continued that out of
all proposals suggested, the A&M proposal keeps coming up. The name is
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acceptable and identifiable and is the only name associated with the
building that has not drawn controversy.
Mr. Wright asked if there had been any projects related to the gateway
project that were associated with the building and Mr. Durrill answered
that the gateway plan is a stand alone project and is completely separate
from the courthouse. The gateway project was put together to create the
parkway and an image for downtown. The courthouse building is not
related to the gateway project at all, the commonality is that the
courthouse sits in front of the proposed plan. Ms. Tinker asked what
happens to the parking in the gateway project and Mr. Durrill answered
that the park in front of the courthouse can be made into a beautiful
parking lot with fountains, trees, and shrubbery. The gateway project
calls for Water Street closed and Chaparral Street opened. The parking
in front of the courthouse can he retained and the old stairway that goes
up and over to the city parking lot on the next median it still there and
there is a building behind on Tancahua Street that will be torn down that
can he used for a parking lot A&M officials were looking at the
feasibility of establishing a footprint school in the annex to give them a
two or three year trial run before they relocated into the main building.
School officials stated it would take a year to run enough analysis of what
kind of footprint school that could be placed in that location to get a basic
traffic pattern while the building was being restored. The annex would
house two to three classes in approximately 9,500 square feet.
Ms. Tinker asked if anything viable had developed from the group out of
Mexico and Mr. Durrill stated a group from Costa Rica wanted to establish
an international School of Latin Languages and Law to educate, both Latin
Americans and Americans, about the laws on both sides of the border and
how to do business in different countries. They have a school established
in Costa Rica and are preparing to open an extension in the city in the old
Mobil Oil building. They want to take a floor of the courthouse and
establish a library of the Americas. Mr. Durrill continued that because
the group wants one or two floors only and not the entire building, this
is not seen as a viable way to secure funds for a Costa Rican based
organization.
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After all comments and questions were received, thanks were expressed
to Mr. Durrill for updating the commission on the status of the courthouse.
Presentation on Renovation Project of the Old Tower Theater: Mr. Wayne
Tatman, President and CEO of the YMCA, addressed the Commission. Mr.
Tatman stated Ms. Hill contacted him about six weeks ago to give a
presentation and update on where the organization is on the development
of the Tower Theater. At this point, Mr. Tatman introduced several staff
members from the YMCA - Ms. Judy Butler, Public Relations Director, and
Ron Reed, Director to oversee the renovation project Mr. Tatman
continued that the renovation project will be done in much the same way
as Kids' Place was built in Cole Park -- a lot of volunteers, donated
materials, equipment, and funds. At this point in his presentation, Mr.
Tatman referenced several pictures of the Six Points area.
Picture 1 • Showed six store fronts that have since been destroyed
and now make up the front part of the parking lot for the new
Eckerds' Drug Store.
Picture 2 • A double store front that is being developed into a
preschool child care center.
Picture 3 • The Tower Theater; which was built in 1936. Mr.
Johnny Cotten, volunteer architect of Cotten•Landreth Architectural
firm, found the original set of plans for the theater. These plans
were found in a downtown theater.
Picture 4 • The Salvation Army Thrift Store.
Back in early 1993, the YMCA owned the six store fronts, that have since
been torn down, and the Eckerds' group approached the YMCA regarding
purchasing the store fronts. The Six Points area was chosen for the teen
center because of its neutral location. It is close to the north and west
sides, on a major transit route, and basically for teenagers, non-territorial.
It is an area that really wasn't identified with any particular school,
outside of Wynn Seale Middle School, which is in its backyard.
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The Eckerd's group was told the properties were not for sale and they
proceeded to purchase the Tower Theater and the adjoining two store
fronts. In the end, the two organizations ended up swapping properties --
Eckerd's received the YMCA's corner properties and we received the Tower
Theater with the two store front properties, the parking lot adjacent to the
Salvation Army Thrift Store, and all of the lots on Tenth Street located
behind the property. (Mr. Tatman identified the referenced properties in
the photographs.) It was continued by Mr. Tatman that the YMCA owns
the property from Alameda Street through to Tenth Street. Mr. Tatman
pointed out that two of the lots were part of the Eckerd's property, but in
the swap, the YMCA kept them to square off their property.
Mr. Tatman stated that the YMCA received voluntary assistance from
several local companies. The project will get underway in approximately
two weeks. Mr. Tatman continued that the renovation cost of the theater
is estimated to be $300,000 and the YMCA has raised approximately
$180,000 of that amount. The amount of $180,000 will allow the child
care center to open and get the first floor of the teen center opened. The
Salvation Army will remain as a tenant and they are signing a five-year
lease agreement.
Mr. Tatman continued that volunteers from Valero Refining and Bay
Construction have led the renovation efforts. The inside of the theater has
been gutted and all of the seats, curtains, screens, and snack bar have
been removed. Mr. Tatman continued that one of the amazing things about
the theater is underneath the stage area is a complete 12 foot ceiling
basement. The air conditioning units and other mechanical equipment are
located there. The building has 18" masonry walls and underneath that
stage area in the basement will be a body building, weight lifting, and
fitness area. The main hall of the theater floor will be leveled and will be
in two different levels -- the balcony and the lower level. The lower level
will be handicapped accessible. The area in front of the stage will be a
small dance floor with Incite studded lights. There will be an elevator and
the installation of the elevator will be one of the last major expenses. The
elevator will be used to gain access to the balcony.
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Mr. Tatman continued that making the bathrooms handicapped accessible
is another expense and it is hoped that the old 1936 tile will be
salvageable and can he used. The old art deco style curbed woodwork
going up the stairway will be used both inside as well as outside. The
exterior of the building will be restored to its original state. In the lobby
area, a large meeting room will be established that house a computer-
literacy and tutorial program for the teens' use. The room will also be
used as a library and study hall.
The mezzanine level will be renovated. The balcony will be leveled and
still maintain a 15 foot ceiling after it is leveled. Half of the balcony will
be a coffee shop, snack bar, and delicatessen eating place. There will be
an outside entrance coming up the stairway from a very large and wide
fire escape from the back of the building. The back of the building will
become the front of the building and the front will be maintained and used
for special large functions, and the back of the building will be used for
normal drop-in and out activities by the teens to avoid the Six Points
intersection.
A large game room will be located on the second floor or balcony level
where teens can play ping pong, table tennis, video games, and watch TV
on a large screen television. The balcony will actually he screened off
from the first floor where teens will be able to see activities going on at
the first floor level. Both rooms will be able to function so as to not
interfere or interrupt what is going on upstairs or on the first floor. The
projection room and coat room will become offices and study halls.
Mr. Tatman stated that the YMCA operates in conjunction with the Coastal
Bend Alliance of Youth Agencies, which operates the TRIP Center. Mr.
Tatman explained that TRIP stands for "Truancy Reduction Impact
Program:' Mr. Tatman continued that when officers pick teens up that are
truant and not in school, those teens are brought to the center at the
YMCA. The teens are kept at the center until they are picked up by
parents. If kids are continuously picked up for truancy, the parents can
he fined up to $1,000 a day and sentenced to perform community service.
The TRIP program is in its second year of operation and will be moving to
the projection room at the Tower Theater. Mr. Tatman continued that
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dialogue has taken place with workers of the Young Life Program; and it
is hoped that an office will be established at the new teen center for
them. Mr. Tatman commented that the purpose of the new teen center is
to offer a full-service program for the teens of our community.
Mr. Tatman stated that entrance to the child care center will he off Tenth
Street on the backside. At this point, Mr. Tatman referenced a photo that
showed the driveway entrance to the center. Mr. Tatman explained there
is a covered walkway leading to the center. Mr. Tatman continued that
the child care center would able to accommodate seventy-six (76) children.
The remaining area behind the theater and the Salvation Army will become
a lighted basketball court and beside that basketball court will be a sanded
area for volleyball. Mr. Tatman stated that the San Antonio Spurs donated
S10,000 for the basketball and volleyball courts to be installed.
Mr. Tatman pointed to a photo that showed a narrowed strip of land that
would become a playground area for the child care center. Mr. Tatman
continued that the YMCA has entered into a contract with Spohn Hospital,
which gave a generous donation to rehabilitate the child care center, and
I they have first choice for their employees' children to have space in the
center.
Mr. Tatman shared the names of organizations that have generously
donated to the project:
Cotten-Landreth Architectural Firm is donating all architectural
services for the project;
GPM Engineering is donating all of the electrical, plumbing, heating,
ventilating, and air conditioning services;
Goldston Engineering is donating all of the structural engineering;
Miss Teen Texas donated all proceeds from a sendoff reception at
the Bayfront Convention Center held on Saturday, July 23, 1994;
The Sams' Foundation donated $65,000;
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San Antonio Spurs donated 410,000;
Hess Fitness Equipment, located at South Staples Street, has agreed
to donate all the fitness equipment for the body building and weight
lifting center;
The Port Authority has been doing all of the clean-up work on the
outside of the facility;
Bobby Lee Painting Contractor will begin the exterior work to do all
of the painting. The building will be restored back to its original as
close as can be from the pictures that have been found, including
the fancy black lines that can be seen underneath the existing paint.
Beecroft Contracting Company is the volunteer no-fee general
contractor; and
Texas Commerce Bank, which is now Frost Bank. The bank sold
the corner property (which was traded) to the YMCA for three-
fourths of its raw land appraised value. The YMCA bought into the
project for $47,500. Mr. Tatman complimented the YMCA Board of
Directors for taking a risk in trying to make this project work.
Mr. Tatman explained how the new teen center became a reality. Mr.
Tatman continued that their concept was building small neighborhood teen
centers. Mr. Tatman continued that teen centers were opening in various
neighborhoods -- one at the downtown YMCA, Rockport, and two on the
northside (Leathers Housing Projects and the WHY in the Hillcrest Area).
One teen center is also opening in Flour Bluff. The Mayor addressed the
Board three years ago and stated there were several task forces (Mayor's,
Park & Recreation Department, PTA Council, and Judge Hunter's gang task
force) working on the same problem. The Mayor and Judge merged the
four groups into one and asked if the YMCA Board could take the one task
force under the umbrella of the YMCA and work on developing one center
multi-purpose teen center and this is what has evolved. After Mr.
Tatman's presentation, the floor was opened for questions and comments.
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Mr. Dove asked Mr. Tatman to clarify what major change would be
happening to the front of the building and Mr. Tatman (referring to a
photo) stated that in looking at the storefront between the theater there
is floor to ceiling glass. Mr. Tatman continued that floor to ceiling glass
cannot be in the classroom with pre-school children; therefore, the glass
has to be removed. Mr. Cotten is developing an alternative that will keep
the front to its original as possible. Mr. Tatman referenced a photo that
showed green, red, and yellow tile that comes across the front of the
theater and continues across the front of the Salvation Army underneath
its picture window. Mr. Cotten is trying to find enough of the tile to bring
it across and add it to the storefront as part of completing and redoing the
storefront.
Ms. Tinker asked what was the use of the structure on the left and Mr.
Tatman answered he did not know, but the theater was always a theater;
which was built in 1936, and the last known use of the building was a job
carp training center with classrooms. Mr. Tatman continued that the
Salvation Army was once either a Woolworth's or a Grant's store.
Ms. Tinker asked if the building was opened for tours and could the
Landmark Commissioners tour the building, as a group or individuals, and
Mr. Tatman responded to schedule a tour, he can be contacted or Ron.
The building is not opened for drop in tours. Mr. Tatman continued that
one of the major concerns in restoring old buildings and using voluntary
labor is the worker's compensation insurance. Mr. Tatman continued that
he found out that the volunteers are covered under the YMCA's insurance.
Mr. Tatman continued as people donate services, or hire sub-contractors
for some things, his concern was how would the volunteers performing
various jobs affect his workmen's compensation insurance. Mr. Tatman
stated that the YMCA's insurance company has made the teen center a
YMCA project and is providing the necessary coverage for any volunteers
working on the project and the insurance coverage does not fall back on
the general contractor. Mr. Tatman acknowledged that Beecroft
Contracting Company is providing contracting services, gratis.
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Mr. Goodman expressed thanks to Mr. Tatman and his Staff for attending
today's meeting to update the Commission on the teen center project.
Review Absenteeism Policy: Mr. Goodman stated that in reviewing
absenteeism, commissioners should notify Staff or him when you will be
absent from a meeting and he will determine whether an absence is
excused or unexcused. Mr. Goodman encouraged members to continue
coming to the meetings because it is difficult sometimes when a quorum
is not present to get items moving forward. Mr. Goodman stated he spoke
with Mr. Williams regarding his being appointed as a voting member in
November when his term ends as a non-voting member and Mr. Mabrey
being appointed as a non-voting member and both agreed to the change.
Ms. Tinker referenced Page 2 of the Nueces County Historical
Commission's June 14, 1994 minutes stating "that the First Presbyterian
Church did not have funds for the installation of an elevator, and in
addition, bricks on the exterior permitted water to leak and it would be
necessary for a type of sealant to be applied." Ms. Tinker asked Mr.
Wright if he knew of their restoration plans and what they are considering
and Mr. Wright answered he was not sure if the church had final
restoration plans. Mr. Wright continued they do want to seal the brick
because the wall assembly has no moisture assembly. Ms. Tinker asked
Mr. Wright if he was involved and he answered no. Ms. Tinker asked if
the Commission could assume that the sealant would be approved by the
Department of Interior guidelines and Mr. Wright answered he did not
know. Mr. Wright added that Bill Holland is the architect for the
restoration project and he could possibly answer that question. Mr. Wright
added that he interviewed for that project and that item was discussed.
Mr. Wright stated he recommended to them that they not use a material
that would build up on the surface of the brick, but possibly use a silicone
type material that would have to be renewed every three to five years.
Using a silicone type material will be more labor intense in applying, but
there won't be a build up of material, which can be a problem in
preservation.
Ms. Macon informed the Commission that the Planning and Development
Department is submitting the Landmark Commission's Preservation Plan
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and "HC" Ordinance to the Texas American Planning Association for an
award under "Current Planning." The department will be notified of the
winners in September.
Mr. Goodman asked Staff when will the awards ceremony he scheduled
and Ms. Macon replied the awards will be in the fall. Ms. Macon
encouraged members to keep in mind of structures that are worthy of
honoring for restoration, adaptive reuse, or individuals who have written
articles, papers, or made videos that can be submitted for the awards.
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 6:30 p.m.
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Faryce Goode•M$ctin, 'City Planner
Staff Liaison to landmark Commission
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